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.22 LR Ammo Question ?
Mar 9th, 2006 at 3:10pm
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I have recently purchaced a Ballard (Cody) Number 6 in .22 LR and am looking for a target load for it for paper at 100 and 200 yard (also silhouette if I can make it legal.) My question is, after seeing in the Journal that ASSRA has shoots to 200 yards for these rimfires, what is the most recommended ammo? I know that each barrel perfers a different brand/lot but there must be a consensus as to what is the most consistant in a variety of different barrels? I have done some research and have found Federal 900 UM is very much liked but, alas, it is no longer available. What should a person try without having to buy hundreds of brands to experiment with? I would like to try to narrow the field down to a 1/2 dozen or less. Ah, the problems of today's rimfires. Thanks.
  

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Re: .22 LR Ammo Question ?
Reply #1 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 5:19pm
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Flatlander not a single person will agree with me but here is my opinion

Buy the best name brand match ammo you can and get one you have a steady supply of.  I am still using Federal but when I run out will switch to Ely. 

Test it and 95% of the time it will do well in your rifle. If not be suspicous of your test.  Rimfires are very sensitive to the way they are held when shot. I think the lack of recoil makes it even more critical than with a larger caliber.  I have seen false paths followed with small test of many different types of rimfire ammo.

Then spend your time working on wind doping.

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Reply #2 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 7:00pm
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Flatlander not a single person will agree with me but here is my opinion

Buy the best name brand match ammo you can and get one you have a steady supply of. 

Then spend your time working on wind doping.

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What Boats said. I too used the Federal until recently, but I've also always used the Eley Tenex even more. Not a lotta difference in most of my rifles, but the Eley has always been available and that's the key thing here. Also the cheaper Eley seems to shoot to the same zero as the high-priced spread and I see little evidence of lube differences between the few Eley types I've tried. This is important, to me at least, for practice purposes.

Out of ~50 wannabe squirrel rifles tested over the last few decades, only two failed to do their best with either Eley or Federal. Those two, as it happens, were original Winchester low walls with original barrels, and did their best with CCI Green Tag. Green Tag has usually been a mediocre performer for me but I gotta admit that it did quite well in these two rifles. For whatever reason, I personally have never gotten good results with RWS.
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Reply #3 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 7:53pm
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Looking down the line at Etna Green, you see some common ammo being used. In no ranking, Eley Tenex, Lapua Master & Wolf Match Target. Me, my Martini's like Wolf Match Target and recent tests with Eley Silhouette and CCI Silhouette look promising at 200yds.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 8:13pm
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I started with Win. T22 because that's what my dad and uncle used, and I was using their rifles.  After many years I switched to Federal 711B, because they had, at the time a "match grade" product.  But when I went to use the "match grade" in a match,  I kept thinking about how it cost 4x what I usually shot.  Did not do well with match grade.

It's my thought to get whatever you feel you can shoot 6-8000 rounds per year with and go with that.  The practice is more important than the ammunition.

Keep in mind though, that I shoot only off-hand.  A bench is only for sighting in.

The guys who started me though said to stay with standard velocity outdoors as high velocity is more affected by the wind.

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Reply #5 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 9:09pm
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Flatlander;
             I see more shooters using Wolf Ammo [either Match or Match extra] than any other single brand. Probably Eley Tennex or Lapua are more popular for dog eat dog modern benchrest but using it makes a shooter feel like he needs to sell the farm. I do believe that the Wolf Match Extra is the best $4.00 ammo for my Martini--on ten shot targets [ASSRA] I can't seem to shoot any better with the $12.00 stuff--but your mileage may vary.   leadball
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 11:56pm
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Thanks for all the reply's. I do have a brick of Wolf Match Extra and a couple boxes of Eley Tenex EPS (it is too gosh-darn expensive to buy a brick and find out it will not work) along with CCI Green Tag on my shelf to try out. My local gun store stocks a very nice supply of misc. match rimfire so I can get pretty much what I need without much hassle. I have heard some are using Match Pistol. Has anyone had any experience with it? Also, does the Lapua L or M (the one that is larger od) work better in an older barrel with many rounds fired or should one stick to the standard diameter? I also have a well-used Lo-Wall that I need to get out and use as well.
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Re: .22 LR Ammo Question ?
Reply #7 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 10:34am
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Flatlander,

Champions Choice who I generaly buy from will sell sample packs of 22 ammo and then supply larger amounts from the same lot  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) They sell all the name brands.

If you look at the major teams, Army Olympic any one, they don't match 22 ammo to specific rifles. It would be way to difficult logisticly to run 50 or so small bore rifles each "liking" a particular type of ammo. And each shooter with his own opinion on the subject. It would be a coaches nighmare.  They pick something that works and stick too it. And perhaps get some sponsorship or reduced price in order to induce them to use it. One reason Federal was popular several years ago was they were paying cash for results.

As far as cost, Last weekend I took a Schuetzen rifle worth serveral thousand dollars on a 700 mile round trip that required one night in a hotel to shoot a 60 shoot gallery match. What with sighters and re-entrys I shot less than 3 boxes.

How much did  the Federal match cost ? about 5 % of the total match cost. I do use there 711B at lower cost to pratice short range but in organized matches I don't worry about the price.

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Reply #8 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 3:06pm
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If u have a tight match chamber like found in the Martini's and Eric Johnson bbl's u will not be able to get about half of the Lapua Master or Midas L's even in the chamber but if u have a std chamber the "L" will from my experience perform better than their std ammo - I am still shooting the Federal cause I still have a supply of it - but someday I will run out and I will weep and nash my teeth.
U have a good day now,  rimfire
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 4:43pm
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Rimfire I think a lot  of it is confidence in what you are shooting.  Particulary offhand. 

I started the iron sight match last weekend with some Federal 711B because I had it on hand and given my ablity to resolve Irons anymore all I wanted to do is not shoot any bad shots to ruin the Agg score.  Save the fine holding for Scope.

My call was off my strike on the sighters so switched to the match boxes.  Calls started to match up with spotted strike.

Was the ammo any better ? or was my confidence level the reason.  Who knows

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Reply #10 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 6:19pm
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Rimfire;
  I do not know what the chamber is in the lo-wall. It was barreled sometime shortly after the turn of the 20th century by the Denver gunsmith George Schoyen and has since had many rounds through but still has a bright shiney well cared for bore. The Ballard (Cody) is their match chamber. If I could figure how to post a photo on this forum I could show you what I have.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 10th, 2006 at 10:56pm
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Flatlander,
I too recommend the best, most expensive, ammo.  Not because it's expensive, but because it usually works better.   

Eley, EPS Tenex is far and away the best in my lowwall with a Lilja barrel.  That's with some considerably more rigorous testing that most folks do.  Second best, was Wolf Match Extra and third was Lapua Midas L (just as expensive as the Eley stuff).

However, that same testing, applied to the same ammo in a Ballard with a Douglas barrel gave different results.  Lapua Midas L or Eley were too close the same and Wolf Match Extra was best - though cheaper.   

You may want to try the Lapua "L" stuff as it will fit a larger (older?) bore better than the "M" variety of Lapua's various lines.   

Anyway, you get what you pay for, or rather, you rarely get something more that you DID NOTpay for.   

A good rifle deserves good ammo.

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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2006 at 8:46am
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I personally find the 200 yd .22rf benchrest to be about the most fun target shooting gets.  I have been shooting wolf/TM, because I bought a case a while back when I was shooting a different rifle and my current 12/15 martini seems to like it too.   It seems though that the ammo that works best at 200 may or may not do as well at 100 or 50.  I'm not sure why, but the accuracy capability is not a straight geometric progression.  When I was testing the previous rifle I ofund some ammo that would group well at 100 was not as good as at 50 or 200, while another brand/lot be opposit.
To me the trade off was that I could afford a case of WolfTM that shot quite well, and not afford a case of Ely or Lapua that might have shot a slight bit better.  I didn't want to practice with one ammo and that go to matches with another.

Not to quibble with Brent  but as mentioned above,  a guy who can work the wind (at least at 200 at EG) can generally beat others with technically more accurate rifles and ammo; so the cost of a lot of practice has to be factored in.

There is also a complex argument  regarding barrel time vers. angles of movement and shot dispersion at the target which throws a whole different fox into the ammo selection henhouse for those who shoot offhand
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2006 at 12:30pm
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Being as I am not a "great" shooter I will probably stick to the intermediate-cost rimfires to practice (and I need a lot!!) but will progress to the top of the line when I get real serious. Does Ely or Wolf (within their own lines) use the same lube on all their loaded ammo so one should not have to clean and re-season the bore when switching grades of ammo (switching from Wolf Match Extra to Wolf Match Gold without having to clean the wax?) Thanks much for all the opinions.
  

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Reply #14 - Mar 12th, 2006 at 1:07pm
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Ely as been accused of changing the lube formula for their TenX several times over the years if my memory serves me right.  I would think anything with the same lot number would be safe but beyond that I believe that we are total at any of the manufactures mercy.  Thats what makes 22 shootin so interesting.  u have a good day now - rimfire
  
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