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Quisto56
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rolling block at 55,000 psi
Dec 15th, 2005 at 5:16pm
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I read on the accurate reloading board about Phil Sharpe loading a remington ryder with a 7x57 at 7o,000psi for 4 rounds and then 200 rounds at 55,000 psi with no problem for the gun.  can anyone else find this information to see if its correct.
  
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Re: rolling block at 55,000 psi
Reply #1 - Dec 15th, 2005 at 6:02pm
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I have both of Sharpes books will look through them and see if I can find anything.

Any clues on were he put the information ? His reloading book has a lot of information over and above the basics. "The Rifle in America" is pretty good too with some info about actions and suitablity for different jobs.

Give me a couple of days.

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Reply #2 - Dec 15th, 2005 at 6:49pm
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thanks a lot  I dont have the books and this seems incredible any help would be appreciated  I wonder if anyone has ever really tested these actions to see what they are capable of . Im sure they have but I have  never seen it 

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Reply #3 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 11:50am
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I'd be willing to wager big bux that excessive action springback would cause the case heads to bend, making it difficult or impossible to reload accurate ammo. The later Remington 7x57 actions were redesigned slightly to remove some weak spots such as the thin receiver ring and a probable stress riser point at the rear bottom of the ring where the sidewalls begin, but the basic (lack-of-)support design wasn't changed and the action will still flex excessively.

Regardless of the ultimate yield strength of the action, IMO it's not suitable for any larger cartridge (over 0.375" body dia) generating over about 40-42K psi. I HAVE seen these actions (later 7x57 style) chambered for the 223 Rem cartridge fairly successfully, but bent case heads were still the rule with full loads.
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Re: rolling block at 55,000 psi
Reply #4 - Dec 16th, 2005 at 8:34pm
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Had a rolling block (7x57 action) barreled & chambered for the 225 Winchester in 1966 with a standard Douglas 26" heavy sporter barrel. Shot many a reload thru this gun & killed quite a few groundhogs & crows with it.
Used a Re11 load with a 52gr Speer Hp which chronographed on my Herter's chrono @ 3685fps. Always inserted the cases into the chamber the same way  as local benchrest shooters did at that time. Cases lasted 6 - 8 reloadings with no problems. Groups avg. 3/4". Shot this rifle for 2 - 3 yrears then went on to other things. Not nessaryly the most desireable action for a varmit rifle, but with care will work.

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Re: rolling block at 55,000 psi
Reply #5 - Dec 17th, 2005 at 1:27am
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The posting about 70,000 psi in a roller seemed a bit much, so I dug into Sharpe's "The Rifle in America".  PBS does tell a story about a 70,000 psi load in the 7x57, but he reported the load in connection with comments on the Winchester 54, (pages 255 & 256 in my copy).   On page 319 of the same book, PBS wrote about his 1902 roller and reports shooting many 55,000 psi loads.  PBS wrote "... the very crude military sights were entirely inadequate... This rifle was fitted with a target telescopic sight and is today one of the most valued guns in his (Sharpe's) collection.
  
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Re: rolling block at 55,000 psi
Reply #6 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 5:46pm
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Quisto,

Waterman has come up the the info. I am painting and sanding and have most of my books packed right now so will not look it up anytime soon.

Sharpe may have said something in his Complete guide to Handloading too, If I can find what box the book is packed in will give it a look.

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