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Green mountain barrel
Dec 7th, 2005 at 8:27am
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I have a new 32 cal Green mt. full oct. barrel that I would like to make half round/half oct. I called Green mt. and they said do it but go slow. Others have said it will bend from internal stress and never be right. Has anyone done this and how did it turn out? Did Winchester turn barrels before they rifled them? This will be a number 3 weight barrel for a high wall.
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Reply #1 - Dec 7th, 2005 at 9:00am
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Roger,

  I've never done it but have had several liners made up by turning barrl blanks down, and my gunsmith regulary turns down barrels such as you want with no problems at all.

  Most of the time there shouldn't be any problems especially if the barrel was stress relieved. Which it should be!

  But, as Green Mtn. suggested to you there is a possibility of the barrel warping on you. One that comes to mind is what one looked like after my gunsmith got done turning it down. You could actually see the warp it was that far off. And not just in one place. Looked almost like a corkscrew.

  So, it comes down to you takes your chances, and hope for the best.

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Re: Green mountain barrel
Reply #2 - Dec 7th, 2005 at 1:19pm
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Roger;
There are no guarantees. However, if the amount taken off is taken off with light cuts, and the barrel is not heated excessively, then it should be fine. The most important thing is light cuts with slow feeds. If your lathe is set up for it, running coolant would not hurt at all...

Barry Darr might want to chime in here. He has far more  experience at this than nearly any of the rest of us. I would take his word as difinitive.

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Reply #3 - Dec 7th, 2005 at 2:55pm
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Green Mountain bbls are stress relieved twice, so there should be minimal stresses left in the bbl. Heat is the thing that will cause problems in turning down, so take all possible precautions to avoid heat buildup. This includes but is not limited to light cuts & slow spindle speeds, and coolant would be a big help as mentioned above. Definitely use a live tallstock center to avoid more heat buildup.

Another precaution I commonly rely upon is to leave the lathe tailstock clamp very slightly loose. Usually we turn bbls between centers because of the required taper, and so we must allow the headstock end to rotate in line with the offset tailstock. The turning action will build up a little heat, which will cause the bbl to grow slightly in length. If it's trapped between rigidly fixed centers then there's no place for it to go except sideways, & voila! then we magically have a warped bbl.

So I take care to leave the tailstock clamp snug but not cinched down rigidly. The amount of clamping force should be such that the act of turning won't cause the tailstock to retreat under the turning pressure, but will allow it to retreat slightly when the pressure increases due to the bbl's length increasing. This is a delicate balance but an experienced operator should have no trouble. A little experimentation will soon show the proper amount of clamping force.

In the past I've turned GM bbls to 1/2 round, and had no trouble at all except for tool chatter. A steady rest will solve most of the chatter, as will using a specially-shaped lathe cutting tool. The details of how the anti-chatter tool is shaped can be found in any of several machinist's textbooks but most experienced operators already know about it.
I suggest you choose your operator very carefully, good luck, Joe
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 7th, 2005 at 7:52pm
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I have a GM barrel on my Ballard #4 Perfection, in .45-70. I turned it from full octagon blank, which I recut to a tapered half octagon to match the original Ballard 34" barrel. 
If it affected it in any way I don't know, as I didn't try firing it in it's original configuration. I can tell you it's extremely accurate in it's present form. Way better than I can shoot!
  
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Re: Green mountain barrel
Reply #5 - Dec 8th, 2005 at 9:15pm
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I have a .40 cal GM barrel 28" long half octagon / half round and do not notice any ill effects in either looks or performance. It was turned by gunsmith Steve Durren in Michigan.
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 12:25am
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MI-Shooter:

Which half did Mr. Durren make round?


Rodger:

I believe this is a non issue. I have a couple of Green Mountain .22 barrels turned down to liner size and the one I have used shoots just fine.  You are not going to have a measurable change in bore dimensions or straightness by just knocking the corners of the octagon off.  If you want it half round go for it.

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Reply #7 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 5:49am
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Glenn,

The middle half. Tongue

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Reply #8 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 3:29pm
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Steve:

Thanks for the clarification. I had assumed that it was the top half.

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Re: Green mountain barrel
Reply #9 - Dec 13th, 2005 at 7:04pm
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FWIW,  Steve Durren has turned down two GM barrels for me,  my 38-55 has a more or less half-round half octogon and it shoots a lot better than I do I'm sure.  he just turned dow another in 40-70 SS for the english style rifle I'm creating with my wesson/Earle #1
  

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