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screwloose
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Breaking in new rifle for blk. powder
Nov 24th, 2005 at 9:51am
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Does a blk. powder barrel require any special breakin? I normaly shoot a jacxketed bullet at moderate velocities and clean with JB betrween each shot for the first twenty then increase the number of shots between cleaning untill there is no signs of fowling. I broke my 45/70 Uberti in this way and it has yet to show any signs of leading with smokeless cast bullets but have yet to get a decent group with black I suspect the 1 in 20 is too slow for black. I just purchased a Pedersoli Sharps from Cabella's
and wonder if there is a better way to break a gun in for blk. powder. Any sugestions?
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Re: Breaking in new rifle for blk. powder
Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2005 at 5:24pm
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Many feel that no break-in is required.  Those that do see a need for break-in use methods similar to what you describe.

As for a 1 turn in 20 inch twist being too slow...what makes you say that?  Are your bullets keyholing?
If it is too slow, that would not depend on the type of powder being used.  It is the length of the bullet that makes the difference.  Heavy bullets are longer, and require a faster twist to stabilize.

Try shorter (lighter weight) bullets in your 1 in 20 barrel.

The Pedersoli Sharps has a twist of 1 in 18.  That should be adequate for bullets up to about 550 grains.
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Re: Breaking in new rifle for blk. powder
Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2005 at 5:59pm
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Tom,

  M_C covers it pretty well. Personally I've never "broke" in a BP barrel, but many feel it's necessary, so if it makes you feel comfortable then do it.

  But, you don't say what bullet you're pushing and how fast.... or the load you're using. This could make a big difference in getting accuracy. Also don't forget that it's not bullet wgt. that determines what the optimum twist rate should be. It's bullet length! If you've got a bullet that's to long it wouldn't make a difference if it was lighter.

  All I would add is that the govt. used 500 gr. bullets in 1-21, or 1-22 twists with decent success.

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Reply #3 - Nov 24th, 2005 at 9:34pm
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Good morning, screwloose;

I pretty well agree with what has been said so far.  You said you have broken the barrel in with yellow bullets.  I have found that you need to clean ALL the brass out to get good results with cast.

Y'all be good.

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Reply #4 - Nov 24th, 2005 at 9:43pm
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Pete
I am using the Lyman 457124 cast fairly hard with alox lube. On a good day with 4198 and 2400 powders somewhere around 1200fps my groups run between 2" & 3" @ 200 yds. Black is all over the paper. I am going to try different lube on softer bullets. I have the 457406 that shoots very well. I bought the Pedersoli to shoot black powder at Friendship and because Cabella's had it at a good price. Besides it's my birthday and I wanted it. 
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Reply #5 - Nov 24th, 2005 at 10:22pm
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Tom,

  I'd say you were getting real good accuracy with smokeless, so don't see why you can't do as well with BP.

  I hope you're not using Alox with BP. ? I haven't tried it myself, but from reading other Forums, it appears as tho it lays in a tar like coating in the bore that's very hard to remove.

  Personally I'd use a 1-25 Tin/Lead alloy, and also try 1-20 & 1-30 just to be sure one of those doesn't shoot better in your gun.

  I don't have any experience with your bullet, but I'd say the MV you're getting now should work. A Lyman 457125 I have, that weighs 523 grs. shoots best at around 1200 fps to. Load is 66.5 grs. of Goex Cartridge with .170" compression.

  As for buying the Pedersoli...... Didn't know you needed an excuse to buy a new gun!  Grin

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Re: Breaking in new rifle for blk. powder
Reply #6 - Nov 25th, 2005 at 10:39am
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I had an issue with poor accuracy in a 45-70 Ruger and cured it by using a softer alloy (1-30 instead of 1-16) and switching from Javelina lube (beeswax + alox) to Emmerts (similiar to SPG). Granted it was a smokeless load, but it now shot very well.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 25th, 2005 at 11:41am
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screwloose,

I've broken in a Badger barrel using the method you suggested and I've broken in another Badger barrel by shooting only black powder in it.  I couldn't see any difference between the two barrels regarding accuracy.

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