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Rechamber .45-70 to .45-90
Nov 10th, 2005 at 2:30pm
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I have located a Pedersoli Sharps that I really like, but it's chambered for .45-70.  I know rechambering to .45-90 is usually pretty straight forward, but here is a twist...

I want the throat of the new chamber to duplicate the original...so it will fit a particular bullet.

Instead of trying to figure out how to do that, my local gunsmith is more interested in telling me why I shouldn't.

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Re: Rechamber .45-70 to .45-90
Reply #1 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 6:43pm
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talk to Lee Shaver, he is one of Pedersoli's warranty person in the states and a good gunsmith from all we've heard

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Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 11:14pm
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Thanks drc,
I have already conversed with Lee about this.

I probably didn't explain my thoughts well, because we never quite seemed to get on the same page.

Maybe I'll try again...if I can find a way to explain without making him think he's dealing with an idiot.

Meanwhile, I've sent an inquiry to Dave Manson Precision Reamers about making a throating reamer that matches the dimensions I got from Dick Trenk...the guy who developed the bullet I want to use.
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Re: Rechamber .45-70 to .45-90
Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 11:47pm
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Charlie, 

There's more than one bullet mold, and there's more promotion and talk than magic to the special pedersoli mold tailored to the special "pedersoli throat".   

Personally, If I wanted to do what you are doing, I would go to a good BPCR gunsmith, have them chamber it, and spend my money on a good custom mold.  If you're so inclined, take the design of the "special pedersoli bullet" and adapt it to your rifles throat, and have a top maker cut the mold for you.  Some of the custom makers will make a special bullet mold for you to fit your rifle if you send them a chamber cast of your rifle.

I'd far rather spend my money on a good mold than on a questionable reamer plus a good mold!   

On the other hand, if you're really set on doing this, buy some cerrosafe, cast the chamber and magic throat, and send the cast off to Dave Manson of loon lake or Dave Kiff of pacific precision, with a check for $165 and a request to duplicate that chamber in 45-90 length.  About 3 weeks later, exactly that reamer will appear in your mailbox. Then, take it to a good gunsmith and have him use it.

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Re: Rechamber .45-70 to .45-90
Reply #4 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 12:39pm
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Thanks for your response, Dave.

With the 'reality check' in the beginning, the 'alternative' in the middle, and the 'how to' at the end ... a more complete reply could probably not have been devised.

I have paid close attention to all of the elements in your sage advice.
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Reply #5 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 2:23pm
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I suspect the mould in question is the one designed by Dr Gunn and Dick Trenk specifically to fit the Pedersoli chamber and throat.  It is made by Victory moulds, a custom maker with a good product.  There are few men better respected in bullet design than Dr. Gunn.  No one has said that either the bullet or the chamber is magic, only that the bullet is designed to match and frequently gives better accuracy in the Pedersoli chamber.  If Lee Shaver, a gunsmith or excellent reputation, is willing to rechamber the rifle why not try the mould?  It is available on loan to try and you would loose nothing.

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Re: Rechamber .45-70 to .45-90
Reply #6 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 4:29pm
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If Lee Shaver, a gunsmith of excellent reputation, is willing to rechamber the rifle why not try the mould?

Actually, Jerry, Lee is not very highly impressed by the shape of the Pedersoli chamber and throat.  While he is more than willing to re-chamber a .45-70, his reamer (as he described it to me) is noticeably different than a Pedersoli chamber.

This whole deal started when I (just becoming interested in BPCR) was looking at the prices of brass in the various .45 lengths.  That's when I noticed that there is such a thing as .45-90 Win brass...and .45 2-4/10 Sharps brass...available from some makers.  This was my first indication that there might be two different .45-90 chambers, so I went looking for dimensions.
Clymer Reamers has data on their site which shows how they differ.  The Sharps shows a .459 throat with 0.050" of freebore and the Win has a .460 throat with 0.100" of freebore.

When I got interested in the 460-550 PGT bullet (the Victory designation) I wondered which of those two chamber shapes the bullet was supposed to fit.
That's when I found out that the Pedersoli chamber is a 'third' shape...which to my eye is like a .45-90 Win with a longer freebore, and a shallower leade angle tapering into the rifling.

I sent Dick Trenk's description of a Pedersoli chamber to JGS Precision, and they sent me a drawing of a chamber reamer which matches.  Costs about $200.  (A hefty price if I only cut one chamber.)

Dave Manson has a 'stock' throating reamer which comes very close to what it takes to cut a 'Pedersoli throat' in front of a .45-90 chamber.  Cost is $35 (or $65 for an exact match).

Having absorbed more information than I can actually make use of, here is my plan...developed after reading the reply from ssdave...if I buy a Pedersoli .45-70 and have it rechambered.

- I will have the gun sent to Lee Shaver for re-chambering with his reamer, and have him send it on to me.
- I will beg a few experienced shooters to send me a handful of bullets (from two or three of the well-known molds) to see which one my barrel seems to like...and buy that one.
- If I can't get a bullet to show promise, or if the reports of 'pure magic' become overwhelming, I can always recut the throat to fit the PGT bullet.

On the other hand...
There is a guy within driving distance of me who has a Shiloh .45-90 for sale.  I sent him an offer (this morning) which - I figger - has a 50/50 chance of being accepted.
If that becomes 'my gun', I will not modify it...just shoot whatever it likes.

In either case, I will eventually be seeking generously natured shooters who are willing to donate some sample bullets.

Until then, thanks to all of you...and especially Dave...for your interest.

Charlie Maxwell
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Re: Rechamber .45-70 to .45-90
Reply #7 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 5:33pm
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You're quite welcome, Charlie.

And I would echo what Jerry said about the mold.  It's available free for the trying from Dick Trenk, and there's nothing wrong with it.  Borrow it and see if the bullets work for you.  It's a good design, and most of the people who have tried it in non-pedersoli rifles have been pleased with it also.

Good luck,
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