Page Index Toggle Pages: [1]  Send TopicPrint
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) I am thinking seriously of building a rook rifle. (Read 32846 times)
Dale53
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 810
Location: Southwestern Ohio
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
I am thinking seriously of building a rook rifle.
Oct 27th, 2005 at 12:33am
Print Post  
Yep, what I want is a "gentleman's" lightweight "carry-around" rifle in a centerfire cartridge.

Because of failing eyesight, it will have to be scoped. I will probably scope it with a small, straight tubed scope. Probably 2 or 3 power.

I am torn between two calibers:
1 - 25/20 or
2 - .32 H&R Magnum

I want this to be the "near perfect" small game gun. I want a light, single shot action. If I could find an original rook rifle in decent shape for a reasonable price, I would consider that. Otherwise, a low wall or something similar might be the way to go. I could, of course, go with a small martini action. In fact, that may be the practical way to go. I could use an intermediate eye relief scope mounted where the rear sight would go. Then it would be easy to carry at the balance point and certainly the small martini would be "hell for stout".

This interest anyone? How about you, Froggie?

Dale53
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
hst
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 569
Joined: Jun 3rd, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 1:21am
Print Post  
Mr. Dale53:

Well, if that ain't an interesting idea...

If I were me I would build it on a Winchester low wall action.  They make up into a beautiful little rifle with a #1 weight barrel. I have one here in .22 rf with a half octagon #1 barrel and it is light and handy and handsome. You could put a short straight tube scope on it like the Lyman 438 or a Wallensak and it would look right proper.

As a matter of fact, this is just what the low wall was meant to be.

As for chambering I would go with the .25-20, no question. I would consider the .32-20.  The .32 H&R would be OK, I reckon but it just don't fit the image of a rook rifle chambering to me. It just ain't natural.

Glenn




  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ssdave
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1985
Location: Eastern Oregon
Joined: Apr 16th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 2:09am
Print Post  
Dale,

I second Glenn's reply wholeheartedly.  I have a low wall, .25-20 (wcf) with a #1 octagon 28  inch barrel.  It's a real beater, no blue, relined barrel, vise marks, and a burned stock.  It is still my favorite carry rifle, and it is accurate.  Good for small game out to about 125 yds.  I'd also consider a .22 hornet, but would prefer it to be on a high wall action.   

If you don't want to build one, consider a contender carbine with a .22 hornet barrel.  I have a hornet in 21 inch now, and have had one in 16 inch before.  The 16 inch was fun to carry.  Another neat light carry rifle is a TCR.    

No matter what I say about the TC's, (I have both, and several barrels for each) but I always pick up the low wall first.   

Good luck!

dave
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartiniBelgian
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1718
Location: Aarschot
Joined: Jun 7th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #3 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 2:56am
Print Post  
Dale,

Of course Martini's the way to go - after all rook rifles were british in origin, so you at least need a brit action for the rifle!  I believe the .32 mag would make a nice rook cartridge but that 32-20 (or 30-20) is very versatile too... - you could even rework a used  .30 match barrel, chop off the chamber and fit to the action (yes, I'm cheap...).  The Martini actions are cheap, solid, strong - and authentic for the type of rifle.
Actually, There is someone on the Martini board who recently bought a vintage scoped Martini sporter, small action,that really looks the part - will see if I can find his pics back...
  
Back to top
WWW  
IP Logged
 
MartiniBelgian
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1718
Location: Aarschot
Joined: Jun 7th, 2004
Some pics of a .22 scope Martini sporter...
Reply #4 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 3:05am
Print Post  
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
And no, unfortunately it is not mine, courtesy of TJ, the owner of the rifle...
  
Back to top
WWW  
IP Logged
 
First_Shirt
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #5 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 9:19am
Print Post  
Gert, that is a beauty, for sure! That has got to be the absolutely lowest-mounted scope I've ever seen...I like it!  Guess it's high time I started shopping for a small Martini action...

Dale, I've been corresponding with a retired gentleman from Texas, who has built some stunning light sporters on small Martini's.  If you'd like, I can email you a few pictures...might be something there you'd like.

Greg
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Green_Frog
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


"It ain't easy being green"
ASSRA Life #281

Posts: 4127
Location: Lynchburg, VA
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #6 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:13am
Print Post  
Dale53, et al,

    I have for several years been working on what I perceive to be the perfect AMERICAN version of the "Rook Rifle."  Maybe mine should be called a "Crow Rifle" or some such due to its place of birth, but that's the idea, a lightweight, walking around rifle for (as JDS or XX grampa once called it) "Woods Loafing."

    My project rifle is a slick side low-wall for maximum petite-ness, has a Green Mtn octagon bbl originally designed for use on 1892 Winchesters (read "light weight - less than a #1") and a little bit of scratching by our favorite engraver.  It is now at the point of needing just a little more polishing before it goes out to have its little receiver case hardened in color.  

    Like many of my (our?) projects, this one started out simple and quick but keeps growing and getting more time consuming.  I now hope to beat the onset of Social Security with its completion.  Roll Eyes

    Have a Martini?  I don't even LIKE GIN!!   Grin

Let the FLAMES BEGIN!!
Froggie

PS  It's a .25-20 SS in deference to the time of classic single shots that this one emulates.  GF
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MIKE-T
Oldtimer
*****
Offline


[SHOOTCAST>

Posts: 636
Location: Wexford Township Michigan
Joined: Apr 16th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:52am
Print Post  
Dale53, was not going to chime in on this discussion, but cannot resist! Do like GREEN_FROG’s Caliber choice, just a day or so ago I contacted Gail at CPA with my idea for a similar rifle. Recently acquired a 044 ˝ Stevens {First 044 ˝ I’ve held in my hands, the action is not much bigger than a favorite} came chambered in 219 Zipper, it has some very UGLY shaped wood & the barrel to frame fit is not the best, the bluing was done in a bucket. Decided it needed to become a lightweight fun gun in 25-20SS caliber, a #1 Octagon 26”-27” barrel, straight grip stock & single screw forearm, will have action color cased and barrel rust blued. Well that’s the plan, now all I need is the $$$ to get it going. If you can locate a 044 ˝ action, IMHO it would make the perfect "gentleman's" lightweight "carry-around" rifle, best part is it a take down originally and has an exposed hammer, another barrel in 32 H&R or? is not out of the question.

Best to you on this project, 
MIKE-T Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MI-shooter
Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 698
Location: SE Michigan
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #8 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 12:28pm
Print Post  
I was going to stay out of this, but after the Frog threw down the glove...well, somebody has to pick it up! Wink Anyway, MY ideal rook rifle would be a small frame martini (takedown if I could locate one), 32 H&R Magnum, Half round / half octagon barrel about 26-28", horn tipped forend attached with a wedge, Cadet style buttplate, BSA #8 folding tang sight with a barrel banded front sight. Unfortunately, by the time I get around to making one, I may have to go the scope route for sights  Grin Knowing your fondness for the 32 H&R Dale, why not? While not a single shot, I have one of the Marlin 1894CB 32 H&R rifles and it is very accurate. Took a squirrel with it a couple of weeks ago and it worked quite nicely.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Ex Member
*****


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #9 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 7:52pm
Print Post  
Well Dale you've done it now! I've been wondering what to do with this ugly old Comblain, and was close to selling it. But now I think I'll reline it to .25-20, or .32-20, and keep it. The present caliber is a .380 Rook and it's a real turkey to make ammo for, with it's .370" bore, and case similar to .38 Long Colt.
If you went with a Martini, you might try to find one of these old Martini Rook rifles, with the exposed hammer indicator? It's a nice device, as it allows me to lower the hammer externally, and see when it's cocked. This one's a 230 Morris Long.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MP
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #10 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 9:25pm
Print Post  
This was listed today and suspect it’s already sold,  a nice rook. 


(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
hst
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 569
Joined: Jun 3rd, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #11 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 9:54pm
Print Post  
Vall:

I really like that Comblain. It is the first nice one I have ever seen. Cool!

Glenn
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Ex Member
*****


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:21pm
Print Post  
Thanks Glenn! As Comblains go, I thought this one was the only one I'd ever seen that had any good looks. It's also the only small framed Comblain I've ever seen. I like the Comblain's forearm shape a little better than the small Martini's forearm shape. It seems to have a little more character.
  
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
bluesteel45
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #13 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 12:27am
Print Post  
dale53, i also love those little british single shots. however, being one of those independent minded americans, i believe it should definately be a low wall and in the best spirit of teddy roosevelt, be called "little medicine" rifles. 22 hornet  is about as vintage as they come, not to mention accurate and effective. and hopefully be finished as fine as the one martinibelgium sent pics of....that gun was great!!....this is just going to cost me money , as the wheels are beginning to crank already..........damn.....blue
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
hst
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 569
Joined: Jun 3rd, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #14 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 1:20am
Print Post  
Gert and Ed:

Why am I not surprised that you two came out in favor of the Martini? 


Gert, that little scoped Martini is cuter than a bug's ear. I have never seen a scope like that. It obviously has a long eye relief. 

I have a couple Belgian baby rook rifles here for some work, both .22 rimfire. One is a Martini action, the other a break action, both of high quality. It is desired that they be scoped and we were trying to find information on the type of scopes that were used on such rifles. Do you have any more examples of scope Rook Rifles or any other information that might help. Thanks!

Glenn
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartiniBelgian
Ex Member


Scoped rook rifles...
Reply #15 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 6:27am
Print Post  
Are rather rare - but I do believe the period Parker-Hale catalogues might just have a few more illustrations.  Unfortunately I don't have these...   
The rifle pictured - I quote the owner:
"This was a Special order starting from a BSA Mod 6 Receiver and done by AG Parker, best wood and engraving including on the scope mounts, polished and tuned action, only ran from aprox 1933 till 1941."  Apparently the barrel is relieved on top to mount the scope...
Parker-Hale also scoped the Dewar Target rifle, but they used either a Fecker or something similar - long tube, and long block spacing.   
For a rook, something like a straight-tubed scope at max 4x would be ideal, but eye relief could be a problem though when mounting it as shown.  I'll also check in the Francotte documentation, but I'm afraid there won't be much..
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
digitall423
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 747
Location: Mexico Beach, FL
Joined: Aug 5th, 2005
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #16 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 11:34am
Print Post  
Has anyone thought about milling the sides of a Martini 12 or 12 15 (thick side) to approximate the look of the Winchester 1885 thin side? I have a 12 15 action and can't get that mod out of my mind. Would make it lighter and might just look good too. 
Bill
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
JDSteele
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #17 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 12:56pm
Print Post  
My .02c here.........

I have several low walls and Cadet Martinis in suitable rook chamberings. For best looks I'll go with a low wall every time. For best accuracy & lightest weight I'll chose the Cadet.

I have a Francotte Cadet made for the Victorian Government of Australia prior to their Federation, fitted with a light GM octagon bbl (like Froggie's) in 256 Win Mag. It has a little quarter-rib dovetailed for either the early Kimber/Warne Premier rings or the common 22RF tip-off rings, works well with either. It's currently fitted with a little short 6x Burris straight-tube 1" dia scope that has enough eye relief so that the eyepiece is just forward of the breechblock's rear hinge pin by maybe 1/2" or so. This allows unrestricted removal of the fired case under/behind the scope's eyepiece, and relatively unrestricted access for initial chambering by inserting my index finger under the eyepiece to thrust the cartridge fully into the chamber if needed.

Looks kinda funny with the little short scope but is eminently practical and lightweight. I currently have a 5x Winchester 677 scope at Parsons for refurbishment, will try it on the little Martini when I get it back. I believe the 677 clamp-on type mounts will work on the little quarter-rib just fine even though they're the external-adjustment type.

Am shooting (VBG) for a 5-lb ultimate weight limit. How's that for light? BTW that's not obtainable with a wall, too much steel.
Sounds like a great project, good luck, Joe
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartiniBelgian
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #18 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 1:49pm
Print Post  
No need to mill the sides of the thick-side BSA action - the cadet is thinside, as are several other BSA models.  And yes, they can be made into very lightweight rifles...  The Swiss one with set trigger I posted pics of weighs (just a moment, where's the rifle, the scales...) exactly 2.5 kgs - that's just over 5 lbs - but it has a looong barrel, and of course no scope.  Even the issue .310 cadet will come quite close to 5 lbs - of course it looks a bit 'homely'. But I could live with the .310 round.  Inherently accurate, a pleasure to shoot - and also quite different.  After all, in those days it was even used for small deer at ranges up to 300 yds...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Ex Member
*****


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #19 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 9:04pm
Print Post  
Here's a suggestion for an original rook rifle cartridge that is both fun, and accurate. The little 230 Morris, which is actually the world's first .22 centerfire. It's base case is the same as the .22 Hornet, but a whole lot shorter. I make mine from Hornet cases, and even with a full load of Unique, it's still extremely mild, and the Low Wall or Martini more than handles it easily.
Here's the little Morris next to a .25-20 WCF for comparison.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MI-shooter
Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 698
Location: SE Michigan
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #20 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 9:27am
Print Post  
Many earlier BSA martini's had thinner reciever shells like the cadet and also stepped sided like Model 6 BSA's. I believe the cadet is 1.0" thick while the Model 12 is 1.2" thick. Charlie Dell wrote an article about the 297/230 long and short several years back in the Journal. If someone wants to know which Journal, I can dig it out of my martini archives. There is also the 297/250 that uses a .250" bore. TJ Liners has proper liners for the 297/250 and Buschenmacher has a reamer. Scoping BSA martini's is a problem, at least to do one gracefully. I have always wondered about milling the top flat of an octagon for rimfire tip off mounts might be the way. Durn it all, now ya got me thinking!

Ed
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Dale53
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 810
Location: Southwestern Ohio
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #21 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 3:54pm
Print Post  
I have been a little slow to respond as I am on a trip down south. 

Lots of nice replies and excellent ideas.

I have lots of experience with both calibers (.32 H&R Magnum AND the 25/20 WCF). I have a Marlin 1894 (new Model) in 25/20 and it is quite a performer. It'll shoot in the 10 ring of the Official NRA 50 yard target all day long with a squirrel load, an intermediate load and a high speed load (nearly 2200 fps. I consider that excellent for a cast bullet lever action. I have shot a number of squirrels with the 25/20 and it is just a better caliber for the purpose than my all time favorite caliber, the .22 rimfire.

However, the Froggie got me intriqued in the possibility of using the .32 Mag in a light rifle. 

I just realized that I have a TC Contender Action and wood for a light rifle. That would work just fine with either caliber and I only have the cost of the barrel. H-m-m-m! That has definite possibilites....

Dale53
« Last Edit: Oct 30th, 2005 at 6:00pm by Dale53 »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
40_Rod
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Extremism in the persuit
of accuracy is not a
vice

Posts: 4285
Location: Knoxville, TN
Joined: Apr 20th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #22 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 8:32am
Print Post  
Dale

I have always thought that a Contender stocked similar to a #7 Remingtom would be a cute rifle. 

40 Rod
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MI-shooter
Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 698
Location: SE Michigan
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #23 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 8:44pm
Print Post  
Dale53, Since you already have the Marlin in 25-20, you NEED a rifle in 32 H&R. You spoke of the Contender route, DON'T waste your time on a TC brand (Fox Ridge) barrel in 32 H&R. Been there and done that without much success in both 10" and 24". Bore is .308 and chambers were very sloppy. I'd find someone who could make it in the correct bore if you go that route. 

Ed
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Green_Frog
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


"It ain't easy being green"
ASSRA Life #281

Posts: 4127
Location: Lynchburg, VA
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #24 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 10:00pm
Print Post  
Dale, if you are going to go the "stretched Contender" route, all you need to do is get a skinny octagon Green Mtn bbl in .312" and have it mono-bloc sleeved into the back end of some random, worn out Contender bbl.  That's a can't miss solution and would be pretty economical as well.  Grin

Froggie

PS  You have an email from me waiting when you get back to your home computer.  Cheesy
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Dale53
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 810
Location: Southwestern Ohio
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #25 - Oct 31st, 2005 at 11:26am
Print Post  
Ed and Froggy;
Thank you both for your insight. I will give both suggestions serious consideration. I was thinking of a Bulberry barrel but his web site shows .308 for the bore size. I prefer the "proper" bore size. In fact, when I was shooting hunter pistol, I used a .32 H&R Mag from TC with only fair results. I then bought a JD Jones custom barrel with the correct specs. It shot really well up thru 75 yards but failed at 100 ( I believe because I didn't have the right bullet). I really needed a longer, heavier bullet. I ended up with a .30 Carbine with a 165 gr bullet for GREAT results.

Back to this discussion: my experience with TC barrels paralleled Ed's and Froggy's suggestion just might be the way to go. Anyone got a "throw-away" Contender barrel?

Dale53
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MI-shooter
Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 698
Location: SE Michigan
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #26 - Oct 31st, 2005 at 6:47pm
Print Post  
Dale
Lately, I have beed getting good results from 800X and Lyman 311008 (117gr) in the H&R. Velocity in a 6" barrel is around 1100fps, not sure how it does in the Marlin. Load is very accurate when shot out to 50yds with factory sights.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
DonH
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #27 - Oct 31st, 2005 at 8:09pm
Print Post  
MI-shooter;
    I would appreciate info on the .297/230 article if you find the time. Actually I need it like another hole in my head but it is just enough different to get my attention. Just ask Asst!

Thanks
Don 
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Dale53
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 810
Location: Southwestern Ohio
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #28 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 4:43pm
Print Post  
I am currently working with a Cadet. It is original EXCEPT it has been rechambered to .32/20. I just received some bullets (courtesy of MI Rifle) and have my cases now. I will have to figure out how to neck down the .32/20 small enough to use the RCBS Cadet bullets to fit the case neck. Hopefully this will all work out. 

This could be my rook rifle, if it works.

Dale53
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartiniBelgian
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1718
Location: Aarschot
Joined: Jun 7th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #29 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 5:08am
Print Post  
Dale,

Neck down?  Normally the heel should be a rather tight fit in the unsized case - I seat mine (admittedly in an original .310) just friction tight in fired brass.  Could be you need to play with case length, though in order to get the heeled bullet to chamber.  Enjoy - the original .310 is a real pleasure to shoot, and so is a 32-20, so a hybrid of both should also perform nicely...
  
Back to top
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Dale53
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 810
Location: Southwestern Ohio
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #30 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 5:06pm
Print Post  
MB;
I know that the heeled bullet fits the mouth of the unsized Cadet case. I just don't know what I am facing. I would have much rather had an unaltered rifle, but this is what was available.

I may find that the .32/20 case works like the original vs bullet fit with a heeled bullet. However, I might also find that after re-chambering it requires a "normal" .32/20 bullet.

After I get back home (November 8, 2005) I will start to discover the answers to these questions.

I could get real lucky and have my "rook rifle" in hand....

Dale53
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
leadball
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #31 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 8:14pm
Print Post  
Dale53;
           My  BSA Cadet is chambered for the 32/20 but will not shoot the 32/20 bullet with any accuracy. I understand that these Cadets can have different bore sizes because of different makers, mine needs a .318 bullet. I'm considering boring out the base band on a Lyman 31141 [ .314 ] bullet mould.    leadball
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MI-shooter
Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 698
Location: SE Michigan
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #32 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 9:55pm
Print Post  
DonH-Send me a PM with your snail mail address and I will send out a copy to you. 

Dale-I made up a new expander to size the cases to about .316/.317 dia to fit the heel of the bullets I provided to you. I really doubt you can seat a .320ish dia bullet in the case and have room for neck clearance at firing. I could be wrong though.

Leadball- Charlie Dell told me he bored out the last band of a Lyman 311008 (3118) mould to about bore dia and made a bore rider/two dia bullet of sorts and got reasonable accuracy breech seating. I've not tried that myself. 

Most reports I have read about Cadets rechambered to 32/20 say that they will shoot reasonably well with correct dia bullets. The Cadet I bought from a shooter at EG last summer reported that he fired standard 32/20 ammo but just to check function, not accuracy. However when I tried my loaded ammo for my other Cadet, it would not even chamber. Seems the chamber was short, which explains the reason for the shorter cases Buffalo Arms sells. The rifle was a very early model, sn 3xxx. So, it seems even the Cadet has changed some dimensionally over it's life.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartiniBelgian
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #33 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 4:01pm
Print Post  
Dale,
It just is a question of trimming back the case to the point where the (possibly shortened) case with the heeled bullet will chamber - a chamber cast will of course help you a lot there...
I am convinced that the heeled .310 bulllet is the way to go in the 32-20 rechambered rifles - you need a bullet that will be a reasonable fit in that bore, and that will set up into the rifling.  FWIW, I once tried a WW+tin bullet in my cadet with just a primer (small rifle), and the bullet (inclusing the heel) set up alomost prefectly with just the primer impulse....  These little rifles can be quite accurate indeed, it just takes a bit of work.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Dale53
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 810
Location: Southwestern Ohio
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #34 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 7:51pm
Print Post  
I appreciate all of your replies. I am cautiously optimistic with this rifle. I just have to work out the details. The reports from you good people should make my work easier.

I had one of these rifles in excellent shape when they first hit the country. There was no brass available and little interest in shooting them "as is". I had paid the grand sum of $15,00 for this rifle. It went in a trade without me exploring its potential. 

Incidentally, Ross Siefried, of Guns and Ammo, had an excellent article on shooting these rifles (in original condition) and had really good results at long range. Who would have "thunk" it? I have since lost my article copy. If anyone would have a copy of the article I would be happy to pay the cost of sending me a copy.

I now have another opportunity to try to get one of these fine rifles shooting. Hopefully, this one will work out.

Dale53
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartiniBelgian
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #35 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 3:18am
Print Post  
Dale,
Check your mail...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
DonH
Ex Member


Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #36 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 5:52am
Print Post  
Dale;

I am sure I have the article you mentoned. I recall one in G&A and also one in Handloader or Rifle. I know I have that one, having just recently seen it. Will be glad to copy it.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Dale53
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 810
Location: Southwestern Ohio
Joined: Apr 17th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #37 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 1:45pm
Print Post  
Good people;
If you have written me (to my e-mail address) please be patient. I'll be out of town (down here in North Carolina in the sunny south) until November 8, 2005. So, I can't reply until then.

However, if you need my P.O. address:
R. Dale McGee
103 Fairborn Drive
Hamilton, Ohio 45013

I am getting a bit excited about working with the Cadet. It will be a fun project.

I will probably be using Unique for a light load. My choice for a full pressure load (.32/20) will be with RL-7. I have had really good luck with these powders in the .25/20 and would expect the same with the .32/20 x Cadet.

Dale53
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MI-shooter
Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 698
Location: SE Michigan
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #38 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 11:50pm
Print Post  
Dog gone it all. All this talk of cadets and what shows up at the local gun shop? You bet, a VERY nice model 4b cadet. Well, my other cadets now have a new sibling!   

Dale, try Bluedot too. About 6-6.5gr gives good results. 

Now how do we start talking about a 297/230 cadet, I don't have one of those.  Grin
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MI-shooter
Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 698
Location: SE Michigan
Joined: Apr 18th, 2004
Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #39 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 8:31pm
Print Post  
DonH-Article mailed yesterday, sorry, I just kept getting sidetracked!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 
Send TopicPrint