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Reply #30 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 5:06pm
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MB;
I know that the heeled bullet fits the mouth of the unsized Cadet case. I just don't know what I am facing. I would have much rather had an unaltered rifle, but this is what was available.

I may find that the .32/20 case works like the original vs bullet fit with a heeled bullet. However, I might also find that after re-chambering it requires a "normal" .32/20 bullet.

After I get back home (November 8, 2005) I will start to discover the answers to these questions.

I could get real lucky and have my "rook rifle" in hand....

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Reply #31 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 8:14pm
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Dale53;
           My  BSA Cadet is chambered for the 32/20 but will not shoot the 32/20 bullet with any accuracy. I understand that these Cadets can have different bore sizes because of different makers, mine needs a .318 bullet. I'm considering boring out the base band on a Lyman 31141 [ .314 ] bullet mould.    leadball
  
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Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #32 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 9:55pm
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DonH-Send me a PM with your snail mail address and I will send out a copy to you. 

Dale-I made up a new expander to size the cases to about .316/.317 dia to fit the heel of the bullets I provided to you. I really doubt you can seat a .320ish dia bullet in the case and have room for neck clearance at firing. I could be wrong though.

Leadball- Charlie Dell told me he bored out the last band of a Lyman 311008 (3118) mould to about bore dia and made a bore rider/two dia bullet of sorts and got reasonable accuracy breech seating. I've not tried that myself. 

Most reports I have read about Cadets rechambered to 32/20 say that they will shoot reasonably well with correct dia bullets. The Cadet I bought from a shooter at EG last summer reported that he fired standard 32/20 ammo but just to check function, not accuracy. However when I tried my loaded ammo for my other Cadet, it would not even chamber. Seems the chamber was short, which explains the reason for the shorter cases Buffalo Arms sells. The rifle was a very early model, sn 3xxx. So, it seems even the Cadet has changed some dimensionally over it's life.
  
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Reply #33 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 4:01pm
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Dale,
It just is a question of trimming back the case to the point where the (possibly shortened) case with the heeled bullet will chamber - a chamber cast will of course help you a lot there...
I am convinced that the heeled .310 bulllet is the way to go in the 32-20 rechambered rifles - you need a bullet that will be a reasonable fit in that bore, and that will set up into the rifling.  FWIW, I once tried a WW+tin bullet in my cadet with just a primer (small rifle), and the bullet (inclusing the heel) set up alomost prefectly with just the primer impulse....  These little rifles can be quite accurate indeed, it just takes a bit of work.
  
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Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #34 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 7:51pm
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I appreciate all of your replies. I am cautiously optimistic with this rifle. I just have to work out the details. The reports from you good people should make my work easier.

I had one of these rifles in excellent shape when they first hit the country. There was no brass available and little interest in shooting them "as is". I had paid the grand sum of $15,00 for this rifle. It went in a trade without me exploring its potential. 

Incidentally, Ross Siefried, of Guns and Ammo, had an excellent article on shooting these rifles (in original condition) and had really good results at long range. Who would have "thunk" it? I have since lost my article copy. If anyone would have a copy of the article I would be happy to pay the cost of sending me a copy.

I now have another opportunity to try to get one of these fine rifles shooting. Hopefully, this one will work out.

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Reply #35 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 3:18am
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Dale,
Check your mail...
  
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Reply #36 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 5:52am
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Dale;

I am sure I have the article you mentoned. I recall one in G&A and also one in Handloader or Rifle. I know I have that one, having just recently seen it. Will be glad to copy it.
  
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Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #37 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 1:45pm
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Good people;
If you have written me (to my e-mail address) please be patient. I'll be out of town (down here in North Carolina in the sunny south) until November 8, 2005. So, I can't reply until then.

However, if you need my P.O. address:
R. Dale McGee
103 Fairborn Drive
Hamilton, Ohio 45013

I am getting a bit excited about working with the Cadet. It will be a fun project.

I will probably be using Unique for a light load. My choice for a full pressure load (.32/20) will be with RL-7. I have had really good luck with these powders in the .25/20 and would expect the same with the .32/20 x Cadet.

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Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #38 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 11:50pm
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Dog gone it all. All this talk of cadets and what shows up at the local gun shop? You bet, a VERY nice model 4b cadet. Well, my other cadets now have a new sibling!   

Dale, try Bluedot too. About 6-6.5gr gives good results. 

Now how do we start talking about a 297/230 cadet, I don't have one of those.  Grin
  
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Reply #39 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 8:31pm
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DonH-Article mailed yesterday, sorry, I just kept getting sidetracked!
  
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