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I am thinking seriously of building a rook rifle.
Oct 27th, 2005 at 12:33am
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Yep, what I want is a "gentleman's" lightweight "carry-around" rifle in a centerfire cartridge.

Because of failing eyesight, it will have to be scoped. I will probably scope it with a small, straight tubed scope. Probably 2 or 3 power.

I am torn between two calibers:
1 - 25/20 or
2 - .32 H&R Magnum

I want this to be the "near perfect" small game gun. I want a light, single shot action. If I could find an original rook rifle in decent shape for a reasonable price, I would consider that. Otherwise, a low wall or something similar might be the way to go. I could, of course, go with a small martini action. In fact, that may be the practical way to go. I could use an intermediate eye relief scope mounted where the rear sight would go. Then it would be easy to carry at the balance point and certainly the small martini would be "hell for stout".

This interest anyone? How about you, Froggie?

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Reply #1 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 1:21am
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Mr. Dale53:

Well, if that ain't an interesting idea...

If I were me I would build it on a Winchester low wall action.  They make up into a beautiful little rifle with a #1 weight barrel. I have one here in .22 rf with a half octagon #1 barrel and it is light and handy and handsome. You could put a short straight tube scope on it like the Lyman 438 or a Wallensak and it would look right proper.

As a matter of fact, this is just what the low wall was meant to be.

As for chambering I would go with the .25-20, no question. I would consider the .32-20.  The .32 H&R would be OK, I reckon but it just don't fit the image of a rook rifle chambering to me. It just ain't natural.

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Reply #2 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 2:09am
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Dale,

I second Glenn's reply wholeheartedly.  I have a low wall, .25-20 (wcf) with a #1 octagon 28  inch barrel.  It's a real beater, no blue, relined barrel, vise marks, and a burned stock.  It is still my favorite carry rifle, and it is accurate.  Good for small game out to about 125 yds.  I'd also consider a .22 hornet, but would prefer it to be on a high wall action.   

If you don't want to build one, consider a contender carbine with a .22 hornet barrel.  I have a hornet in 21 inch now, and have had one in 16 inch before.  The 16 inch was fun to carry.  Another neat light carry rifle is a TCR.    

No matter what I say about the TC's, (I have both, and several barrels for each) but I always pick up the low wall first.   

Good luck!

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Reply #3 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 2:56am
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Dale,

Of course Martini's the way to go - after all rook rifles were british in origin, so you at least need a brit action for the rifle!  I believe the .32 mag would make a nice rook cartridge but that 32-20 (or 30-20) is very versatile too... - you could even rework a used  .30 match barrel, chop off the chamber and fit to the action (yes, I'm cheap...).  The Martini actions are cheap, solid, strong - and authentic for the type of rifle.
Actually, There is someone on the Martini board who recently bought a vintage scoped Martini sporter, small action,that really looks the part - will see if I can find his pics back...
  
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Some pics of a .22 scope Martini sporter...
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And no, unfortunately it is not mine, courtesy of TJ, the owner of the rifle...
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 9:19am
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Gert, that is a beauty, for sure! That has got to be the absolutely lowest-mounted scope I've ever seen...I like it!  Guess it's high time I started shopping for a small Martini action...

Dale, I've been corresponding with a retired gentleman from Texas, who has built some stunning light sporters on small Martini's.  If you'd like, I can email you a few pictures...might be something there you'd like.

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Re: I am thinking seriously of building a rook rif
Reply #6 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:13am
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Dale53, et al,

    I have for several years been working on what I perceive to be the perfect AMERICAN version of the "Rook Rifle."  Maybe mine should be called a "Crow Rifle" or some such due to its place of birth, but that's the idea, a lightweight, walking around rifle for (as JDS or XX grampa once called it) "Woods Loafing."

    My project rifle is a slick side low-wall for maximum petite-ness, has a Green Mtn octagon bbl originally designed for use on 1892 Winchesters (read "light weight - less than a #1") and a little bit of scratching by our favorite engraver.  It is now at the point of needing just a little more polishing before it goes out to have its little receiver case hardened in color.  

    Like many of my (our?) projects, this one started out simple and quick but keeps growing and getting more time consuming.  I now hope to beat the onset of Social Security with its completion.  Roll Eyes

    Have a Martini?  I don't even LIKE GIN!!   Grin

Let the FLAMES BEGIN!!
Froggie

PS  It's a .25-20 SS in deference to the time of classic single shots that this one emulates.  GF
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:52am
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Dale53, was not going to chime in on this discussion, but cannot resist! Do like GREEN_FROG’s Caliber choice, just a day or so ago I contacted Gail at CPA with my idea for a similar rifle. Recently acquired a 044 ˝ Stevens {First 044 ˝ I’ve held in my hands, the action is not much bigger than a favorite} came chambered in 219 Zipper, it has some very UGLY shaped wood & the barrel to frame fit is not the best, the bluing was done in a bucket. Decided it needed to become a lightweight fun gun in 25-20SS caliber, a #1 Octagon 26”-27” barrel, straight grip stock & single screw forearm, will have action color cased and barrel rust blued. Well that’s the plan, now all I need is the $$$ to get it going. If you can locate a 044 ˝ action, IMHO it would make the perfect "gentleman's" lightweight "carry-around" rifle, best part is it a take down originally and has an exposed hammer, another barrel in 32 H&R or? is not out of the question.

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Reply #8 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 12:28pm
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I was going to stay out of this, but after the Frog threw down the glove...well, somebody has to pick it up! Wink Anyway, MY ideal rook rifle would be a small frame martini (takedown if I could locate one), 32 H&R Magnum, Half round / half octagon barrel about 26-28", horn tipped forend attached with a wedge, Cadet style buttplate, BSA #8 folding tang sight with a barrel banded front sight. Unfortunately, by the time I get around to making one, I may have to go the scope route for sights  Grin Knowing your fondness for the 32 H&R Dale, why not? While not a single shot, I have one of the Marlin 1894CB 32 H&R rifles and it is very accurate. Took a squirrel with it a couple of weeks ago and it worked quite nicely.
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 7:52pm
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Well Dale you've done it now! I've been wondering what to do with this ugly old Comblain, and was close to selling it. But now I think I'll reline it to .25-20, or .32-20, and keep it. The present caliber is a .380 Rook and it's a real turkey to make ammo for, with it's .370" bore, and case similar to .38 Long Colt.
If you went with a Martini, you might try to find one of these old Martini Rook rifles, with the exposed hammer indicator? It's a nice device, as it allows me to lower the hammer externally, and see when it's cocked. This one's a 230 Morris Long.
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Reply #10 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 9:25pm
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This was listed today and suspect it’s already sold,  a nice rook. 


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Reply #11 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 9:54pm
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Vall:

I really like that Comblain. It is the first nice one I have ever seen. Cool!

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Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2005 at 10:21pm
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Thanks Glenn! As Comblains go, I thought this one was the only one I'd ever seen that had any good looks. It's also the only small framed Comblain I've ever seen. I like the Comblain's forearm shape a little better than the small Martini's forearm shape. It seems to have a little more character.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 12:27am
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dale53, i also love those little british single shots. however, being one of those independent minded americans, i believe it should definately be a low wall and in the best spirit of teddy roosevelt, be called "little medicine" rifles. 22 hornet  is about as vintage as they come, not to mention accurate and effective. and hopefully be finished as fine as the one martinibelgium sent pics of....that gun was great!!....this is just going to cost me money , as the wheels are beginning to crank already..........damn.....blue
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 28th, 2005 at 1:20am
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Gert and Ed:

Why am I not surprised that you two came out in favor of the Martini? 


Gert, that little scoped Martini is cuter than a bug's ear. I have never seen a scope like that. It obviously has a long eye relief. 

I have a couple Belgian baby rook rifles here for some work, both .22 rimfire. One is a Martini action, the other a break action, both of high quality. It is desired that they be scoped and we were trying to find information on the type of scopes that were used on such rifles. Do you have any more examples of scope Rook Rifles or any other information that might help. Thanks!

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