Dale53,

  Thanks for the reply. I would have thought with as many Shilouette shooters on here that I would have been inundated with opinions.

  I'm glad to hear my choice of the RCBS 300 gr. bullet was at least a reasonably good guess and it can also be used successfully on the pigs to. I didn't see to many choices in BA's catalog so figured that was it.... good or bad.

  My main thought tho is the recoil of the gun in offhand. As we both know gun movement starts at primer ignition and the heavier the bullet the more recoil you will have. A lighter bullet will impart less movement in the gun, for the same velocity, as a heavier one. So, I am figuring that the lighter bullet should be more accurate if for no other reason than that, all else being equal.

  I've read a little bit on some shooters using lighter bullets for the chickens but so far I haven't seen anything that says they are better. But, leaving everything else out of the equation, I've found in Schuetzen offhand the lighter bullet seems to give better scores at 200 yds. My main .32/40 bench bullet is 210 gr., but have found that a 185 grainer, which is no where near as accurate as the 210 grainer, does shoot better offhand.

  I guess the next question to ask you is what is your load for the above bullet?

  Until the "new" mould comes in I've been working on blow tubing today, and a new method that Steve Garbe says works pretty well for him. So far have to admit Steve's idea has a lot of merit. 12 shot groups of each ran 2" for blow tubing and 1 5/16" for Steve's method...... at 100 yds. Next time out I want to try a coupla different alloys. Hopefully the weather will hold up or else I'll have to finish up next Spring.

boats,

  Looks like we think the same on this. I really don't know why you got a lot of flack about it tho. Seems like the most reasonable way to go from my viewpoint.

  If the spotter says, 2 minutes right, with a 32" barrel that will be 2 "marks" on the slide no matter what the distance. It's the spotters job to give the correct amount to the shooter. Nothing could be simpler. The shooter doesn't have to convert a foot to inches and then over to MOA for the distance being shot. The shooter has plenty enuf to do blow tubing, keeping his eye on which correct target to shoot at next, and getting situated around for it. At the match I observed some of the shooters must have been getting real confused doing all this figuring because many were always asking which Shilouette they had to shoot next.

  At the range I'll be shooting at, at this time, they don't have berms behind the Shilouettes which definitely makes the spotters job even more tough. From what I hear it's not a big problem as you can watch the bullets flight all the way out until you get to the Rams. Then it's anybodies guess. In this situation the shooter can't even help himself by quickly looking up and seeing the bullet strike.

PETE

Boats,

  Yep! The main thing is to have fun. Win or lose! If shooting isn't fun you better take up golf. But, with that said, winning is a lot more fun than losing. 

  I didn't got to the last shoot but understand they had some kind of steel plate behind the Turkeys and that helped a lot since you shoot West at them and they tended to fade out. You could see the bullet strikes on the plate so that also helped. Some kind of wood backing was put behind the Rams, but those I talked to thought that was next to useless as you couldn't see the hits. From what I hear they'll have berms behind the Shilouettes next year and they're even looking at maybe holding a sanctioned NRA match.

  Good info on the spotting scope. Hadn't thought about what would be the best power to use. I have a variable on my 80mm KOWA and it does go down to 20x so should be all set. Several years ago I made up a copy of the tripod surveyors use with the idea of using it when I need a real steady one. Haven't needed to use it much but looks like it'll come in handy now.

  Now that would be a neat idea...... Mount two KOWA's side-by-side. 

PETE

White Owl,

Your method works good too. It depends on the way you are used to working and who the most experenced person is.  Most important thing is to have it worked out in advance.

What I did not mention was the strike spot and call routine. It's general pratice to have the spotter mark the strike on a spotting pad and show it to the shooter. It should confirm the shooters break.  Just like in Schuetzen when you look at your target through a spotting scope.

If all match up any devation is due to conditons and can be adjusted for.  At top level from prone positons I think you will find the rifles will hold zero and the shooters hold center.  Any off strike is due to conditons.

The thing I like about Schuetzen is all of this is up to the shooter and advice or spotting by someone else is not alowed under the match rules.

Boats

I don't think you are dated (of course, we are ALL dated with our love of the old guns). I believe that the appeal of Silhouette lies in the "instant gratification" when we hit something - "It all falls down".

I shot it for 15 years until my eyes went. However, I like Schuetzen just as well. It is just different.

Dale53

    38-55  and  Blue:        While it may not be in Pa there are 2 Schuetzen matches at Bath, NY each summer, just over the border from central Pa.  May be too far for you but we manage from Ct.  Will be glad to provide any additional information.
                                           andyz

Blue,

  Yours, and the others opinions are certainly valid as to why there isn't much Schuetzen out your way. We are just the opposite here in central Iowa. Lots of Schuetzen shooting, both Summer & Winter.

  A personal observation on why there might not be much Schuetzen shooting out your way and a lot more Shilouette. I don't mean this in a derogatory manner but minute of angle is a lot less than minute of chicken, pig, turkey, or ram. Every year it seems we have one or two of the Shilouette shooters show up to try their hand at Schuetzen. That's the last we see of them.

  I assume you are a member of the ASSRA. If so, then on the back inside cover there are at least two listings I recall of Schuetzen clubs in PA. You might give the contact people a call and see where their ranges are at.

PETE

Pete:

" A personal observation on why there might not be much Schuetzen shooting out your way and a lot more Shilouette. I don't mean this in a derogatory manner but minute of angle is a lot less than minute of chicken, pig, turkey, or ram. Every year it seems we have one or two of the Shilouette shooters show up to try their hand at Schuetzen. That's the last we see of them."



So what you are saying is that I shoot Silhouette because I am not a good enough rifleman for Schuetzen?  Interesting opinion.

Glenn Fewless

Fordot to mention also there are no "race guns" in silhouette.