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JDSteele
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Reply #30 - Mar 21st, 2006 at 10:42am
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First and foremost, what about the later Peabody hammerless actions? US manufacture and famous target rifles to boot! Killdeer, What Cheer, etc.

IMO the hammerless exclusion rule was initiated because of fears of 'unfair' competition, initiated by folks who were afraid of being outgamed and beaten by obviously superior actions. Also fears of allowing the overly-common Ruger No 1 and all the 'great unwashed' owners thereof, folks who, no doubt, did not have the proper spirit of the game in their souls (VBG).

They were right. How the sport has changed! Nowadays it seems like the gamers have taken over.
Borchardts forever, Joe
  
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leadball
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Reply #31 - Mar 21st, 2006 at 11:11am
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The Peabody Martini is of American Manufacture as is the Borchardt mentioned. The Peabody is legal for Silhouette because of hammer. I also have no problem with the Silhouette Rules,maybe if those two or three gentlemen were forming the rules today they might present the rules differently. I have always favored the "shoot what you brung" rule, the hammerless, quick locktime and etc are not more accurate but they may be easier to shoot more accurately. The Sharps sort of proves this point to me, although it is a fine rifle it is not superior to other rifles on the line but it wins a majority of matches because other fine rifles are excluded.
The last time I checked the Maynard and all other "tip up or break down" rifles are excluded "Why".  It appears that the foreign manufacture explanation is not correct because both hammer and hammerless American rifles have been excluded.  leadball
  
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Reply #32 - Mar 21st, 2006 at 12:34pm
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I was around when the rules for BPCR were formulated. The whole idea is we had a couple of fellows who had original "Buffalo" rifles ('74 Sharps and Remington Rolling Blocks). They loved their rifles, wanted to shoot them a lot but there was NO competitive games for them. So, they invented a competitive game for THEIR rifles. They desired to formulate the rules so that their REAL buffalo rifles (including the Trapdoor Springfields) would remain competitive. So, they tried to rule out other rifles (which really had little impact in the Buffalo fields) to protect their brands. Since their brands were THE buffalo rifles, I have little criticism to make. That's the game and if you wish to participate, follow the rules.

Rule making is a complex project and there are NO rules that make everyone happy. I think that BPCR has done well. I have personally criticised them in the past but in general I must take off my hat to the originators of this fine sport (Doc Carlson was one of the two but I have a brain cramp and cannot remember the other gentleman - maybe someone here can chime in).

That's my take on it ("That's my story and I am sticking with it" Grin).

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Reply #33 - Mar 21st, 2006 at 12:40pm
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But where are the Buffalo Silhouettes?  All I have ever seen at the matches are, Chickens, Turkeys, Pigs, and Rams.
  
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Re: Most Popular Single Shot BP Rifle
Reply #34 - Mar 21st, 2006 at 7:07pm
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Leadball nailed this down good with the statement "smart ones get the Stevens". Popularity is not always a good reflection of anything other than marketing and questionable  public taste! (Look at the popular crap on TV)  Based on strength, the ability to interchange barrels, good customer service, my pick is the CPA Stevens 44 1/2. Don't let anybody kid you that other exposed hammer single shots have a faster lock. Prove it. I understand that tests have been done showing no practical differance between the CPA and the Ballard. It there is information to the contrary I hope someone puts it forth. (I have owned and fired in competition Millers, Hi-Walls, Low-Walls, a Ballard, and two Stevens) I know this is reactionary but I would love to have a muzzleloading schuetzen that did not have to be cleaned between shots.

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JDSteele
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Reply #35 - Mar 21st, 2006 at 11:19pm
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Rules is rules and I usually don't have much of a problem with 'em. You either obey the rules and shoot, or else you shoot somewhere else.

But it makes me tight in the jaw when I see that my own Borchardt (one of the early ones made in 1878) is not legal for Silhouette, while the new Miller Model F, a new stainless steel race action, IS legal!

This, by any rational measure, is a perversion.
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DonH
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Reply #36 - Mar 22nd, 2006 at 6:27am
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Joe;

    I agree with you re: the Miller inclusion. I also agree that the Borchardt and maybe some I wasn't aware of should have been included but in general I don't have a problem with the "sprit of the game" thing. It is true that they are all legal in the original BPCR competition which is the Creedmoor style matches.
    I am happy someone came up with a game that gave me an excuse to buy a period rifle and go shoot it until I'm giddy FWIW, I wasn't attracted to the silhoutte thing just to shoot metal critters. I wanted a "buffalo rifle" since 8th grade and here was a way to actually do something with one.
  
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Reply #37 - Mar 22nd, 2006 at 11:33pm
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  I don't know what is #1 but It must be the next one you buy. Or the one you take to the range the most! 
  I know I have some realy nice rifles but I have looked at what I always bring to the range with me ( to shoot when the one that cost a lot is cooling down). It's realy the one that I like best. It's the one thats the most fun! I wish to think that it is a single shot, or a big bore. But it's not. It dose get mostly cast bullets. It's the only rifle that I shoot with factory sights. No peeps or scopes, just the way it came. I gess I havs close to 5000 rounds thruoght it and I can't wate to get to the range the next time and shoot the hell out of it.
Well I gess I will drop down a bit but the rifle I like the most is a Marlin 1894 357 mag. It's just abought what I like to do SHOOT. And it does it well. 
I love all my sharps my roller and my Browning BPCR, BUT for fun my Marlin comes with me just to let ( the good guns cool down),
    Tombstone   >>>AKA  BUZ
  
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DonH
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Reply #38 - Mar 23rd, 2006 at 9:51am
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In the rule book I have on hand (2003) the Maynards and Stevens Tip-Ups are mentioned in the list of examples of rifles legal for BPCS.
  
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