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Re: Speed Lock for low wall
Reply #15 - Apr 16th, 2005 at 11:54am
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Will, since you appear to have the wide-spaced Schuetzen-style DSTs, I have another suggestion. It's A Good Idea to polish all trigger/sear mating surfaces where the top side of the kicker (rear trigger) contacts the bottom rear of the main sear, because it's possible that you're experiencing too much friction there. I have encountered a condition similar to a hangfire, when the kicker kicks the sear but doesn't kick it quite hard enough to trip it completely out of the notch. It seems to hesitate for a millisecond before finally disengagng, just enough to throw the shot. This can happen with any of the three types of wall set triggers although I've found it to be rare. I've experimented with two of the wide-spaced DSTs, four of the close-coupled DSTs and about eight of the SSTs over the years, just to give you an idea of where I'm coming from on this.

I've found that it's important to adjust the parts relationship so that the kicker moves as little as possible, both when it's initially set against its spring tension and also when it's tripped to disengage the main sear. This will reduce lock time & increase the force directed against the main sear, helping to ensure a clean trip with minimal disturbance of the rifle.

I never reduce the thickness of the main sear nose but I do reduce the sear notch depth on the hammer. Another way to do this is to install a pin or spacer on the hammer to reduce the main sear engagement, then if you go too far it's easy to cut down on the pin or spacer to restore some travel. Please PM me for details if necessary.

I've been trying for many years to get RF walls to shoot well, with only indifferent success. My friends KelleyO and xxgrampa tell me that they've had good results with negative headspace and minimal extractor cutout. They do this by essentially converting the double-leg extractor to a single leg one so that the case rim is supported in a much more positive manner, and then chambering shallow so that the case rim is pinched when the breech is fully closed. That will be my next effort.
Please keep us informed, good luck, Joe
  
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Reply #16 - Apr 16th, 2005 at 12:31pm
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Joe,

Check your PM box,

Very prudent not to thin the sear.  That's why I was concerned about the lack of thickness when I saw it!  Not too much there for the force it's working with.....

Few things:

My kicker and sear are nearly in contact with each other all the time.  Can't really tell cuz when assembled there no way to see them...  When the sear is riding on the hammer it must be held off just a touch?   

HA!  Yes,  me gonna polish stuff!  Grin

Ballard Rifle uses an extractor similar to what's used with the Hornet or 25-20!  Just a small notch on the left side of the chamber.  Also the cartridge is set into a picket with the block closing in tight behind it!  I don't know the clearance - but it's tight! Headspace is nearly impossible to determine without a button gauge.

There are some things about this Ballard version of the Low Wall that are very impressive.  The workmanship is excellent!   

I will let ya know!  I've got some great guidance from ya'all!   

Thank you!

Best,

Will
  
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Re: Speed Lock for low wall
Reply #17 - Apr 22nd, 2005 at 8:35am
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While I do not have any specific low wall speed lock experence I have some Speed lock time.

In modern rifle Silouette when I switched from a 03 Springfield to a Remmington 700 the faster lock time was noticable and my scores did improve.  I further speeded up the 700 striker with a titanium firing pin and stronger spring. Not so noticible and I doubt if it was much faster than factory stock.

I had a Eric Johnson Ballard that was speed locked. The rifle had been converted to a smallbore prone gun,  The conversion was just like the ones mentioned on the board It worked OK. The rifle went off everytime and no acidental discharges..

I had my two CPA's  speed locked a couple of years ago.  Paul Shuttleworth  changes the hammer and it's a lot shorter in throw and ligher too. On a CPA action the spring tention is screw adjustable from the outside and I lightend it up.

I found the rifles worked well with Rimfire barrels but would not pop the Rifle primer when using either the 32/40 or the 38/55 barrels.  Even going back to max spring tension it would not fire reliably. I changed to large Pistol primers and now It works  fine. 

Overall it's a worthwhile conversion. For offhand it surely improves performance.

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Reply #18 - Apr 22nd, 2005 at 8:57pm
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About 20 years ago a former girlfriend bought me a low-wall from Pete Fiori. The barrel was marked A. Hubalek. Rifle had a single-set trigger and a Hubalek scope. Sad thing is that I don't remember who I sold it to! Shooting under the wonderful conditions at the Fairfax Va. range it always shot around 2" at 200 yds, again near perfect conditions, and the ammo as I recall was that Korean PMC target, inexpensive stuff. Chuck Blender has a lowwall and I remember he won the rimfire agg. at Whittington not many years ago. To explain the Fairfax conditions, the range was surrounded on three sides with heavy forest. In the mornings and evening you can look through a spotting scope and see backlighted insects down range circling in a holding pattern. Hotter than hell. That is the range where the late Buddy Streat set those rimfire groups records shooting a Dorn stricker action conversion on a Ballard frame.

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Re: Speed Lock for low wall
Reply #19 - Apr 25th, 2005 at 9:25am
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One thought that has occoured to me that might help the problem. If the action comes to full cock when it is closed. Take out the half cock notch and get rid of the fly. The fly could be the problem. I fixed a highwall that was grouping badly that way. It is an easy project and you can do it yourself if you are careful.

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Reply #20 - Apr 29th, 2005 at 2:55pm
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Okay folks! 

The firing pin overhaul is complete ala Steve Garbe and the speed lock is in and working, thank you Keith!   

So how does it shoot!  If I knew how to post a picture I would show you all!  But one ten shot group at 100 yards was just under ¾” C-C.  I’m very please indeed.  Amazed is the word!  It'll make those groups as long as the wind don’t blow – then I gotta do better! Smiley

To think, I was ready to toss this rifle in the forsale market.   

Thanks to for their input!

Best,

Will   

  
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