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Re: Cast Bullets
Reply #30 - May 31st, 2005 at 6:53am
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Hey Joe u will never believe this , but I agree with u 100% on the reentry deal! "BUT" If not for the reentry targets there would be no matches at Green! It`s the only way we can make any money to pay the way at Green!

At the Original PA 1000 yard BR Club shooters were assigned to benches and relays. Maybe 6 relays of 20 shooters-don't remember. Then there was a winner and 2nd of each relay. After all relays, the shootoff, with winners and 2nds shooting. The winner of that shootoff won the match. Each relay shot in the same conditions.
CBA matches are such that relays are fairly quick, lots of shots are fired for record.
I don't hope to change , or want to change, ASSRA matches. But, a rifle that will average 1" 5-shot 100 yard groups will be in the middle of the pack in CBA matches, and will do really well in a few.
The same rifle in ASSRA matches can easily shoot <1" groups and >246 scores(200 yard)  if the shooter is willing to pay for the targets. I've seen them, shoot a 245. Next target, 25, 23, 24, 25, 24, 24, stop shooting-can't beat the 245, next target...
Again, it is merely a test of patience.
I wrote an article for the News a whilke back about the VT match, now there's a match I'd like to shoot in. 
No sighters, 10 shots string measure, maybe 15 minutes to shoot.
All with wheelweights, which all the best shooters used in the 1880's. (H.M. recommended them.)
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Re: Cast Bullets
Reply #31 - May 31st, 2005 at 10:15am
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Not to pick a fight but what did they put wheel weights on in the 1890s. I can't think of a horse strong enough to pull a buggy fast enough so that it would need wheel weights.

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Reply #32 - Jun 1st, 2005 at 6:41am
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Not to pick a fight but what did they put wheel weights on in the 1890s. I can't think of a horse strong enough to pull a buggy fast enough so that it would need wheel weights.

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Wheelweights were used on, among others,  the Knurlman 5-wheeler, among many of the other older motorcars, starting about 1825. The Glomph "Flying Goat" was one of the fastest, remember that standing mile record from 1862, during the late war of disfederation. Many suggest that the Glomph tilted the balance. Yes, wheelweights were used during the golden years of rifle building and shooting, although the earliest wheelweights had substantial quantities of hydrogen-making the rendering process more exciting than today.   
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Reply #33 - Jun 1st, 2005 at 1:58pm
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40 Rod,

  Still getting a chuckle out of your reference to WW's and wagon wheels.  Cheesy

  It got me to wondering about another aspect of the differences between CBA and SS shooting.

  Namely gas checks. The only reference to them that I could find in the reprints of Shooting & Fishing was in the Nov. 27, 1902 issue. In an article titled "Gleanings From U.S. Ordnace Report" there is a section on gas checks. Without quoting the whole section it says.....

  "Experiments have been conducted from time to time in preceding years with metal and other wads placed in the rear of the bullet with a view to decreasing erosion." (looking for a solution to erosion and the bullet jacket material used at the time.)
  "................ That decided upon was an inverted cup of medium density copper, .02 inch thick, pinned to the base of the bullet."

  The govt. found that they weren't suitable for Krag MV's, but did continue experimenting with them for a while in an effort to see what results could be gotten in guns of all calibers.

  My Ideal Handbooks only go back to #27 (1925-26) and they show gas checks and moulds available at that time.

  Out of curiosity does anyone have a more definite idea of when gas checks were introduced? I would assume Ideal put them out first so if someone had a handbook that didn't list them, and then the next one that did, we could get some idea as to when they became available.

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