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22-15-60 Stevens
Nov 22nd, 2004 at 8:54pm
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I can't believe I've never found this forum before....  Oh well...  I'm here now...

I'm embarking on a new quest to hopefully be shooting/reloading 22-15-60.  I'm having a blast with 25-20SS, 25-21, 25-25, and 32-40 in various Stevens single-shots.  That 22-15-60 is a little sexy straight wall cartridge that I'd like to add to the list.  It's a sickness - I know...

Over the last several months, I've discovered how rare this cartridge is and how hard it may be to reach my goal...  I've acquired nearly 60 pieces of vintage ammo (first question - is there any modern brass available - Bertram doesn't look like a possibility here) - so I plan on using 30 vintage pieces or so.

I've also found that the actual bullet diameter used was .226 with 2 weight options of 55gr and 60gr?? More questions....  planning on a possible rebarrel if I cannot locate an original barrel in decent shape - I don't think i've ever seen a .226 blank before...  would a .224 bore work?  Cannot locate a .226 mould either - plenty of .224 or .225 moulds.  Would .002" even be an issue here?  If I go with a .224 barrel and .224 mold - would I still be able to use a standard set of 22-16-70 dies (available from both RCBS or CH Tool)?

If .002" is an issue - i guess I could go with a custom reamer with a slight taper to .224 - go with .224 barrel and .224 mould.

I know - lots of questions - but not having too much luck in locating any answers - so any help would be appreciated...

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Re: 22-15-60 Stevens
Reply #1 - Nov 22nd, 2004 at 9:16pm
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oldsingleshots, new brass is available at Rocky Mountain Cartridge URL { (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) } and dies can be found at CH4D { (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) }, would think the .224 bullets will work if you order the dies to fit the bullets diameter, same way with the cases from RMC, tell them what size bullet you are using and they will make the brass to fit {RMC brass is the best}. It would be easier to have a new barrel fitted, plus you would know it was in perfect condition to start with. 
JGS lists { (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) } the 22/15/60 reamer, contact them for the size bullet it fits. Your right, the old Stevens are great fun.

Wish you luck on this project, and do come back to the forum and let us know how it works out!

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Re: 22-15-60 Stevens
Reply #2 - Nov 22nd, 2004 at 9:45pm
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I have no experience with the 22-15-60, but:

Rocky Mountain Cartridge advertises new cases at $38 per 20:
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NEI lists a 60 grain mould in .228", which might be satisfactory:
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Have you actually slugged the bore?  I thought that those old 22s were usually .228".  If it really is .226, an unsized bullet from a .224 mould might do the trick, as cast bullets are often 1 or 2 thousandths over their nominal diameter.  Also, if you use black powder (straight or duplex) a slightly undersize bullet might slug up to bore diameter.  If the bullet has a gas check, I doubt that  it would slug properly.

If you go with a new .224 barrel and .224 mould, I would think that a new expander plug would be necessary.

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Reply #3 - Nov 22nd, 2004 at 10:35pm
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Wow - off to a great start!  Thanks for the info...  I will definately report back to the forum when things are ready to go.

Mike-T, I'm definately leaning towards a new barrel...  I've recently turned a Stevens 44 1/2 #45 Ideal into a 2 barrel signleshot in .32-40 and also in .17 Ackley Hornet.  Nothing like seeing an itty bitty 17 caliber hole in a #2 half round/oct barrel...

Doug_Nelson, I wished I had an original 22-15-60 barrel to slug.  In the last 5 years - I have only seen one - on a Ladies #56 Ideal with a 44 1/2 frame and it's owner wasn't going to budge one bit.  I've got a couple 44 and 44 1/2 frames to choose from.  Sounds like another 2 barrel single shot project.

Again, Thanks.
  
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Re: 22-15-60 Stevens
Reply #4 - Nov 22nd, 2004 at 10:41pm
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Oldsingleshots,
You're a man after my own heart! I too have the .25-21 , .25-20SS, .32-20, .32-40 and the .22-15-60 Stevens rifles. Plus a neat original #44 in .44-40! I enjoy shooting them all!
I'd stay away from Bertram brass, even if they did make a case for the caliber. I've had horrible luck with their cases for smaller calibers. I have on the other hand had super results with RMC brass, and that's what I use in mine. My bore slugs to .225" and my old Ideal mold casts a 63 grain bullet that's .225" unsized. It works just fine, and I load both Unique, and BP too. I prefer the results with the Unique, as it seems to give more accurate loads.
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 22nd, 2004 at 11:00pm
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marlinguy-  hey, I forgot to mention my other 44 1/2 in 32-20....  Lots in common....  Again - it's a sickness.

I've had simuliar experiences with Bertram as well - the 25-20SS wasn't too bad - however the 25-25 was terrible - inconsitent case lengths - most already shorter than trim to lengths.  I also favor Unique over BP - but also use both.  I do like the smell of BP better.... Smiley

Your nickname sounds familiar - you wouldn't be the same marlinguy that has lots of single shot pics on msn?  Nice collection....  I'm starting to venture into the Ballards and Winch low walls some...  I think I may have also seen you here and there on some of the auction sites....  Nothing like some friendly competition - going after some of those Stevens and Ballards.... Wink

I've not heard of RMC brass before - very pleased to be directed to a new source.  The .224 route sounds like best option for a re-barrel - lots of modern options available.  Unless an old Ideal hand loading tool crops up with attached bullet mould - and an original barrel too.

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Reply #6 - Nov 23rd, 2004 at 10:07am
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Old SS,

  Welcome to the Forum! Probably the reason you haven't found it sooner is because it's a fairly recently come on line.

  One other option you might consider is to just use a .22 Hornet, which is/was an updated .22 WCF when introduced. It will hold 15 grs. of 3F Swiss or Goex, and is defintiely a lot cheaper to get brass, dies, and a great variety of moulds for.

  I've played quite a bit with the Hornet over the years, in both BP, & smokeless. Depending on what you're expecting for accuracy, it'll make a real good Squirrel gun, for head shots only, out to about 75 yds. with BP, and up to about 125 yds. for smokeless. For 100 & 200 yd. target work it probably won't cut it, unless you can shoot in specific matches for CF .22's.

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Re: 22-15-60 Stevens
Reply #7 - Nov 23rd, 2004 at 9:04pm
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Oldsingleshots,
Yes, I do have a fair number of singles pictured at the MSN site. Not too busy bidding on auction sites though, so it must be someone else. I hang out at Marlinowners.com under marlinman93, as that was my moniker at the old Marlin Firearms site.
Most of my shooting collection is Ballards and Stevens, but I do have a few Winchesters, various Remingtons, Martinis, and a few oddball European schuetzen and rook rifles.
Glad to have you here. These guys have really helped me solve some tough problems, and they really know their singles!
  
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Re: 22-15-60 Stevens
Reply #8 - Nov 28th, 2004 at 9:51pm
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Look for a mold listed for a .22 Savage Hi-Power. This caliber used .228 bullets. Not sure of the weight though. But I do know they were .228 as I owned one once and finding .228 jacketed bullet was a chore. Had a mold, think it cast a 60 gr bullet. The other option that a freind uses is to cast the closest to size bullet 30/1 alloy and then pan lube them. He then runs them into a Lube die of the appropriate diameter and when they are bottomed he gives them a little grunt and 
"POOF" they bump up to the larger diameter. I suspect this would be an easy procedure to bump up .224 diameter to .226 or .228 diameter. The trick you must remember is to cast them soft. Hope this helps. Regards, FITZ.
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 28th, 2004 at 10:46pm
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Fitz -

Cartridges of the World - 10th Edition - does show 22 WCF, 22 Extra Long Maynard, and 22 Savage High Power as all having a .228 bullet diameter.  However, in this edition and also in the 7th edition (an old copy I have) it states in 2 different locations that the correct diameter for 22-15-60 was .226.  Also says that the correct bullet mold/bullet was a Lyman No. 22626 (54gr) or a Lyman No. 22637 (60gr).  Could be wrong - but I don't think so.

I've already decided to move forward with this re-barrel project on a M44 1/2 frame I have and a new .224 barrel with 1 in 10 twist.  Will require a custom reamer (Dave Manson) - and maybe some changes to the 22-15-60 dies that CH Tool currently offers - some of the .224 molds from NEI look promising as well.

All of the responses and input on this topic have been extremely helpful.  Thanks to everyone who's provided their 2 cents.
  
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