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Marsh
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Weighing Bullets
Aug 10th, 2004 at 12:22pm
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For the sake of this discussion, lets assume that the casting techinques are as good as humanly possible, ie, good custom mold, good alloy, temp maintained , etc.
Is it necessary to weigh .32 bullets to achieve match winning accuracy?
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Re: Weighing Bullets
Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 12:56pm
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Marsh,
I consider weighing bullets to be very important. When weighing them I have found bullets that are visualy perfect but weigh one or two grains light.  Remember, if a bullet is light, it has a hole in it somewhere and that hole isn't going to be on center.

When I weigh my bullets I place them in colums, each colum being a specific weight, i.e. 184.6grs. I can then see the weight distribution I'm getting. I use the heaviest two or three colums for bench shooting and the next three or four for offhand. I save a few of the others for fouling shots.

If you're wondering if this is important or not, try sorting a batch and shoot a group with the heavy ones and then a group with the lighter ones. you should see the group open up with the light bullets.

These are my opinions and as the esteemed green one says,YMMV

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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2004 at 2:36pm
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Steve, thanks for your answer. I used to weigh 540gr bullets when shooting silhouette but eventually decided loading 75-100 45-70's for a match was work enough so I quit doing it. These bullets, being much smaller, would be more critical.
You going to be at EG this fall? Maybe we can go out again for Chinese again.
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Reply #3 - Sep 1st, 2004 at 7:49pm
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I shoot 40-65 and 45-70 and I weigh every bullet before loading. Putting the bullets in rows to see distribution is the way to go. I discard the lowest 2 rows and remelt them. Getting a many variables out of the way will tell you what you need to alter to reduce your groups.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 1st, 2004 at 8:44pm
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Hello Marsh, I weigh my bullets before lube-sizing. It is just one more variable and I am old enough to have many old sayings. Eliminate the varibles or the variables will eliminate you.  Any way, good luck  Long Rifle
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 4th, 2004 at 11:24am
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Marsh if you want to shoot 250's or finish in the top three, especially in bench shooting weighing bullets is a must! 

Most will tell you that bullets within .2 tenths is good enough but I sort and shoot by exact weight. Keep in mind it is the little  "big" things that wins matches. 

Marsh if you drop one or two points anymore you are not even in the game!
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 4th, 2004 at 11:51am
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Tried weighing bullets but three different tests using a Lyman 375248 only gave a .3 tenths difference.  Should add that I laid the bullets out in rows of 10 and after the mould was casting good ones, threw the first ten back in the pot and then proceded to cast 110.  Any with visible defects were thrown back in the pot.  Pan lubed and then stored in MTM 9mm boxes, nose down, with a piece of foam to fit under the lid to keep bullets in place.  Shot as cast.  Never could complain about the shooting quality of the bullets.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 5th, 2004 at 2:58pm
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I read in a Sierra add that they keep there Match King bullets to +- 3/10 of a grain. There regular bullets to +- 1/2 grain.
I would think most of there bullets a closer to ideal weight, but that's the spread they use.
Marsh I weigh my bullets and keep +- 2/10 grain
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Reply #8 - Sep 5th, 2004 at 3:12pm
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Marsh,

I shoot my bullets by wgt. I have also shot them in the order cast, but can't say that I've been able to find any difference in accuracy.

  The reason I shoot them by wgt. is that as I'm weighing them I'll come across one that goes either high or low and it makes me wonder if that might be a cause of those flyers we all get. I will have to admit tho that I get flyers even doing it the way I do.

  What I would like to know is, if someone who shoots in order cast, can tell me why this way of doing things is/was considered a good way to do it? I can't recall ever seeing a good explanation on this method. Has anyone ever done a test to see if it's possible to tell if one way is superior to the other?

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Re: Weighing Bullets
Reply #9 - Sep 5th, 2004 at 7:24pm
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Nice target, what velocity in your rifle is the 13.5 gr of 4227 giving.
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Reply #10 - Sep 5th, 2004 at 7:58pm
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MP,
  Your experince casting just about mirrors mine exactly. If I'm real lucky I can get upwards of 90% within + or - .2 for .32 cal. bullets. I figure the light ones have a void in them, but like you can't really explain the heavy one's.

  I like that target! Impressive!! Like GWarden I'd be interested in the MV that load is giving you if it's available. We're finding out that the latest(?) lots of 4227 seem to vary quite a bit for the same bulk, or wgt.

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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2004 at 1:27pm
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MP,

  I haven't found that the new lots of IMR4227 are erratic, just that the MV you get for the same wgt./vol. will be different than from another one. It was always my opinion that the manufacturers blended the powder that was sold to the public so that the approx. same pressures/velocities could be had. Maybe they still do but are spreading out what they feel is exceptable. In any event I'd recommend testing a new lot and adjust as necessary. For me this is no big deal since it's SOP with BP.

  On your AA#9 results. Mighty impressive!!! I'm currently using it in the .22 Hornet Spitzer tests with some impressive SD's and MV's. My only problem with it is that it doesn't work all that well in my 8.15 x 46R. It has a slightly rough bore and with AA#9 when the fouling builds up you can't hit the offhand target paper at 200 yds. The frustrating part is that it'll shoot great, but when it goes south you have to stop and clean it out. The other frustrating point is that this break over point can happen at any time. I've had it happen in as few as 10 shots and as many as 48. I don't have this problem with IMR 4227, but it also doesn't shoot as well as the AA#9.

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Reply #12 - Sep 7th, 2004 at 2:29pm
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MP,

  No, I haven't tried H4227. I've always had good luck with the IMR product so never got around to trying it out. Something I'd like to do some day tho.

  The fouling I get is just in front of the chamber and extends up the bore about 6" or so. From my experience over the years this fouling is normal. The AA#9 just seems to build up faster, is harder, and quite a bit more difficult to remove than the stick powders. Since the bore on my 8.15 is slightly rough I consider that as the reason it builds up more and in a more erractic fashion.

  All guns and all powders will build up a fouling layer in front of the chamber. In some calibers, such as the .22 RF, this is actually required to get the best accuracy out of it.

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Re: Weighing Bullets
Reply #13 - Sep 8th, 2004 at 9:34am
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Both the IMR and Hodgon 4227 anr now made by Hodgon.when I talked to the Hodgon people at the NRA Convention this spring they told me that they would continue to produce both variations. Good news for me as I like the IMR better.

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