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Philippe
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Swiss 7.5 mm
Jun 7th, 2004 at 1:04pm
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Montevideo, June 7 2004



Gentlemen,

I am a shooter and reloader living in Uruguay. I recently purchased a Swiss Schuetzen Martini rifle made by H. Ryffel (a Lucerne). The rifle is in excellent condition; it has an 85 cmts. tapered octogonal fluted barrel, set trigger,
hooked buttplate.

It is chambered for the obsolete M-90-03 Swiss round, of which I have a few dozen rounds. The bullet is 211 grains, paper patched soft lead (heel type) with a steel nose cap, and was loaded over semi smokeless powder.

There is a very long (+- 30 mm) tapered free bore, and the twist as far as I can tell is +- 1:14¨

I intend to reload for this rifle. I have new Graf cases, a set of Hornady dies for the 75 Swiss (modern) and have a locally made brushing which slightly modifies the shoulder of the brass to conform to the Cerrosafe cast I made
to the chamber, neck sizing at the same time.

I wonder if any your members have any experience with a similar rifle and would be kind enough to furnish some advise on reloading for the same, especially concerning the proper cast bullet, whether to paper patch, etc.

I thank you in advance for your help.

Sincerely,

Philippe Salmona
philsalmona@hotmail.com
  
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Re: Swiss 7.5 mm
Reply #1 - Jun 7th, 2004 at 5:10pm
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I have a couple old German rifles they are generally made like a fine watch, don't know if I've heard of this rifle, maybe someone else can give you some information on loading.  leadball
  
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Re: Swiss 7.5 mm
Reply #2 - Jun 8th, 2004 at 11:00am
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Phillipe;
Since you are in South America, it is a little bit more difficult to help you. However, all is not lost.

The 7.5 Swiss (modern) is a high intensity round (compared to typical schuetzen cartridges) pretty much in the class of the .308 Winchester. The 7.5 has somewhat more capacity than the .308, so cast bullet data for the .308 can be cautiously used.

It would be extremely helpful if you had or had access to a chronograph but certainly not absolutely necessary. If you want to load schuetzen level loads, that will be relatively easy. Before I would get caught up in spending a lot of money for a custom mould, etc, I would order a Lee mould for a 150 grain bullet. Lee only makes gas check moulds in this weight/caliber. Unless you are going to compete in ASSRA sanctioned matches, gas check bullets are somewhat easier to get to shoot well than the plain base lead bullets that we are required to use in ASSRA competiton. Lee moulds are quite inexpensive (here in the States) so your first trials should be done without wasting a lot of money. I would suggest using a bullet alloy of 25/1 lead/tin with tin being the smaller amount. Of course, you will need a box of gas checks. Lyman's Cast bullet book will be very helpful in getting you   started.

I would try to load in the Schuetzen category of velocities (1200-1450 fps) as you will find this is much more pleasant to shoot than full loads. Not knowing the strength or condition of your rifle, it will also be safer. If you can locate it, Hodgdon's H4227 should meet your needs for a schuetzen powder. Keep in mind that this powder will only fill a small part of the case with a proper charge. You should find a proper load somewhere from 14.0-17.0 grains behind a 150 grain bullet.

I would load the bullet as far out of the case as I could and still chamber it.

Keep in mind that I take NO responsibility for any of this load data. There is some risk of ANY reloading and I only take responsibility for loads that I have made. You are on your own.

However, we are interested in your results and suggest that you keep us posted.

After you get up and running, with a working load that does well, is plenty of time to go to custom moulds. You might find that the Lee mould provides all that you need.

One thing, Lee moulds are quite inexpensive. They typically need for you to carefully go over the sprue plate and deburr it with gentle use of a file. Then, I also drill thru the metal ferrule on the handles and insert a very small bolt and nut to secure the handles. Do this before you start and you will never have a broken handle. If the handle comes loose, and you continue to use it, it will break. Do NOT tighten the nut too tight as that will compress the wood underneath the handle and damage it. Just "snug" the nut up against the ferrule and use "Loc-Tite" on the nut.

Good luck!
Dale53
  
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Re: Swiss 7.5 mm
Reply #3 - Jun 9th, 2004 at 6:52pm
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The previous reply indicated that you should not fire the rifle with modern 7.5 mm Swiss military ammunition.  I agree.   
I have a "probably Swiss" martini in 8.15 x 46R with a tapered or forcing cone section between the chamber and the rifling. It is not a 7.5 Swiss, but I think my experience may help.

The bore (.308) and groove (.314) dimensions of my rifle allow many ".30 cal" cast bullets to work.  I am fortunate enough to have an old Lyman #311403 mould.  Bullets from this mould work well when breech seated at the extreme end of the forcing cone.  I made a simple breech seating tool by inserting a wooden dowel into a fired cartridge case.  The wood part was cut at a length corresponding to the length of the forcing cone, so that it sticks out of the mouth of the fired cartridge a few mm.  That will be a trial & error fitting.  The Martini action has enough camming power to seat a soft lead bullet properly.  First drop a properly lubricated lead bullet into the chamber.  Follow that with the cartridge seating tool. Close the action to seat the bullet. Then open the action to remove the bullet seating tool.  Then load the cartridge case, primed and with propellant BUT NO BULLET, and you are ready to shoot.

The earlier reply suggested purchase of a bullet mould.  Some mail or internet order firms sell small samples of cast bullets, so that you might buy a few before ordering a bullet mould.  One of the tapered bullets might work for your rifle.

IMHO, your rifle was probably intended for paper targets at 100 to 300 meters, not for hunting.  So you do not need much power.  Try loads recommended for Schuetzen .32-40 or 8.15x46R cartridges.
  
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