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May 4th, 2004 at 9:56pm
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Does anyone have a email or contact info for a source of re-decappers of the old Pope style? Looking for something I can use that looks correct for the period.
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Reply #1 - May 4th, 2004 at 10:16pm
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Vall,
Try this web site for the Meacham Rifle Co. They make what you're looking for plus with the added feature of being able to use RCBS shell holders.

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Reply #2 - May 4th, 2004 at 11:12pm
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I have a Meacham and I like it just fine, but I use the ones made by Jerry Simmons.  The only contacts I have had with him are at Etna Green.  Perhaps someone on the wire will have contact information for Jake.

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Reply #3 - May 5th, 2004 at 8:03am
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marlinguy, I believe I have Jake's (Jerry Simmons') snail mail address at home somewhere...I'm pretty sure he doesn't do the email thing.  I'm at work now, but will look for it tonight.

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Reply #4 - May 5th, 2004 at 9:08pm
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Thanks for the info guys! I look forward to getting Mr. Simmons contact info also. 
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Reply #5 - May 15th, 2004 at 3:42pm
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I use the Meacham but I think you will find it cheaper to purchase from Buffalo Arms!
  
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Reply #6 - May 15th, 2004 at 4:30pm
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Thanks Schuetzen! I'll check BA for that item.
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Reply #7 - May 15th, 2004 at 9:51pm
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marlinguy, I still haven't come across Jake's (Simmons) address, but I can get it from Charlie Dell as soon as he gets back from Asheville tomorrow night.  Also, if you have a copy of the Single Shot Exchange, I think he still advertises in there, and they are also carried by Dixie Gun Works, although at a slightly higher price.  Undecided

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Reply #8 - May 15th, 2004 at 10:28pm
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Thanks Froggie! I have the ASSRA journals, so I'll check there.
Schuetzen,
Buffalo Arms doesn't carry the Meacham in either their online or paper catalog. They have the Pope style, which is $99.
  
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Reply #9 - May 16th, 2004 at 10:06am
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Marlin Guy Buffalo Arms Pope Style Re-De Capper Is The Meacham, It Does Look Like The Price Went Up From The Last Time I Looked Though. I Own One And It Is A Nice Tool! 

Keep In Mind All You Have To Do Is Buy Different De-Capping Rods And Shell Holders To Fit All Your Needs From 25 Cal On Up To 50 Cal. 

I Bought The Meacham To Use With My 32 Miller Short,32-40,38-55,40-65 & 25 Hornet. One Tool Does It All !

The Simmons Is A Dedicated Tool !
  
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Reply #10 - May 16th, 2004 at 10:22am
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Jerry Simons
715 Middlebury St.
Goshen, IN 46528

He is in the Yahoo white pages.

His re and de can be used for many cal.  Mine I use for 32-40, 25-20 SS and can be used for many more. It takes different heads is all. 

  
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Reply #11 - May 16th, 2004 at 3:33pm
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Hey schuetzen, while the tools originally sold by Stevens and Pope were "dedicated" for one caliber, Jake modified the design to use a special screw-on shell holder (that is unique to this tool) and interchangeable primer stems as well.  The Pope - Allen design, as sold by Meacham, Buffalo, et al, is a modification of the Simmons modification, and while it uses standard shell holders, it seems harder to me to change calibers than with the Simmons...I have a couple of the latter and about 8 shell holders and 5 stems to cover about anything I am likely to load.  I have been using the first of the two for over 10 years now and it has a nice patina that shows it has really been out there. I review the new ones as they come along, but I keep going back to my Simmons.   Wink

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Reply #12 - May 16th, 2004 at 3:39pm
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Thanks for all the great info guys! I'll have to think about which one I want, and then get the setups for various calibers I reload for. 
I don't shoot competitively, but I like to reload at the range, so I can work up loads for each rifle. My present tool uses RCBS dies and shellholders in a large hand press, and it's a bit awkward to re-decap shells.
  
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Reply #13 - May 19th, 2004 at 8:07am
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Has anyone tried the D.A.T.depriming tool that Buffalo Arms advertises . It fits on the lee auto prime tool . I was wondering how it worked . DGC27  
  
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Reply #14 - May 19th, 2004 at 8:23am
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Some of the guys I shoot BPC Silhouettes with use the DAT, and it seems to work OK.  For a de-primer, I prefer the ones made by Jim Kluskens (Distant Thunder).  Nice piece of equipment, and won't break the bank...I think they're around 40 bucks.  I reprime with a RCBS tool.

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Reply #15 - May 19th, 2004 at 9:29pm
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I have one of the DAT decappers that I use any time I have a group of cases to deprime.  It is quick and easy to use, especially if you have one of the older Lee tools without the primer tray.

I do not use it for schuetzen work at the bench.  I use one of Jake Simmons tools for the multistep operations required for that type work - deprime, clean, prime.

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Reply #16 - May 19th, 2004 at 10:11pm
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I picked up one of the Simmons redecappers from Charlie Dell at Asheville.  He trys to keep a couple on hand for people like me needing to upgrade my "toy box".  He had at least one more and said he trys to keep different heads and rods around to meet most anyone's needs.  The 2 he had at Asheville were set up for 32-40 and would work fine for any similar case for recapping.  Decapping side will handle about anything down to a hair above .30 cal.

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Reply #17 - May 31st, 2004 at 11:59pm
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Dave Arwinko--(hope I spelled that right--just from my faulty memory)  had some really slick ones for sale at EG. they appeared to be a cast and polished bronze body.  I think I saw the Frog talking with him so I expect there'll be a review in an upcoming Journal. 
In addition the not-really-late Barry Darr was there (kind of the ASSRA's Rip Van Winkle) after a 20 or so year absence.  He had serial #1 of a design he modified from either a Schoyen or Zischang re/de design. He had made them out in CA during his years out there.  Now that he has resettled in sw PA he may--repete MAY--put them back into production along with moulds--no barrel making though--or so he says.  We'll be hearing more from Barry as time goes on.
  

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Reply #18 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 6:15pm
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The Arawinko Re&Des are a copy of the Peterson. The Darr was a copy of the very rare Bremmer tool. I am personaly lusting after the Bremmer tool.

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Reply #19 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 9:37pm
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John, Did you talk to Barry about his tool.  the one he had -the prototype I guess was made out of a machined down gun barrel.  It and the Arawinko are certainly very sleek classy looking rigs.  I liked the bronze (maybe brass) chassis on the Arawinko/peterson rig.  besides it's available and Darr's isn't ---yet at least.

One nice thing about this game--we've got so many cool little toys and gimmicks; above and beyond the guns themselves
  

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Reply #20 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 9:45pm
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DWS,
That's for sure! No other type of shooting involves so many neat tools in use at the bench! Even if one doesn't shoot in competition, it's nice to be able to use these tools for casual shooting, and load workup.
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Reply #21 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 10:09pm
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Hell Marlinguy -----   All I do is work with these rifles, don't have the time to shoot them !   I do manage to keep a few in the works (about12-14) & manage to buy some of these toys just to play with ----  guess I'll wind up with one each of these to go with a rifle that probably won't get ahot.   Ken
  
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Reply #22 - Jun 2nd, 2004 at 4:08pm
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Hey Ken,
Some of us collect, some shoot, some shoot what they collect, and some have to keep the rest of us equipped with beautiful iron to shoot!
What we all have in common is a love of these fine guns, whether they're old originals, or newer!
  
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Reply #23 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 12:20pm
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Any one have a contact number for Charlie. I would like to pick up one of those Simons tools. Or any other quality tools that won't break my bank.
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Reply #24 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 12:40pm
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He died last year, Jerry simons is still around, i believe however.
  
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Sorry to hear that he died. I guess then it's Simons. I just got off of the phone with Gail at CPA and she said Paul has been working on a new design for one but it will not be out for over a year or more. Do you have a phone number for Simons?
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Reply #26 - Feb 21st, 2007 at 9:50pm
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Mike,

     AFAIK, Charlie never made re and decappers...I know that for the 10+ years I went to his place he always used and stocked for resale the Jake (Jerry) Simmons units.  I don't have his address handy, but if it doesn't show up in the next day or so on this board I'll try to dig it out.  There are a couple of others that have come on the market including the excellent Arawinko one that I reported on in SSR Journal about a year ago, but the Simmons unit is the most well known and widely used, I believe.

     Charlie DID, however design and build an improved version of the lube pump made famous by the likes of Harry Pope, and there was an inquiry about that just the other day in another thread on this board.  Both the pump and the re- and de- appeared in Charlie's book, so I guess some folks are getting into their Winter reading to prepare for the Spring matches, huh?  If anybody reading this missed the other thread, it was noted there that Willis (singleshot) Gregory has had the torch passed to him by Charlie to continue the making of the lube pumps.

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Reply #27 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 7:26am
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Jake (Jerry) Simmons land line is 219-533-8546.  Speak loudly & plain as Jakes hearing has deminished due to many years of shooting with little or no hearing protection.  4227
  
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Reply #28 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 1:40pm
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the area code for Jake is no longer 219 it is now 574.
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Reply #29 - Mar 19th, 2007 at 3:32pm
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Thanks guy's. I just got my new Jerry Simmons unit in the mail and it is nice. Now I gotta figure out do I color case it or rust blue it.
Jerry has a very quick turn around for a 75 year old fellow. He got my money order and I got the unit about a week later.
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Reply #30 - Mar 19th, 2007 at 7:44pm
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Mike, the original Pope RE-Decappers were Nickle plated. I would just leave the Simmons the way you got it. A little natural patina from use will look good. Regards, FITZ Smiley
  

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Reply #31 - Mar 20th, 2007 at 9:54am
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I would agree with FITZ unless like me, you have bad hands that make bare steel rust.  For me it is an on again/off again situation, but I have to keep my Simmons tools well oiled or Jake (Jerry) fusses at me @ E-G when he sees the rust.  Of course he used to fuss at me for keeping it in a fancy wooden box, etc.  I think "Uncle" Jake just likes to give me a hard time!  I would probably nickel plate one of my Simmons tools if the opportunity arose, but I don't have access to a good plater here.  Color casing looks good and along with a light coat of oil provides good protection.

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Reply #32 - Mar 20th, 2007 at 10:49am
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To Plate or Color Case or Rust blue. I live in the Socalist state of confused folks (California) and trying to find a real plater out here may be hard. I know the good platers would first plate with copper and then nickel, it lasted longer that way. Our state is so well monitored by the DO-GOODERS that the other day when I went to purchase lead ingots at a local hardware store the idiot aked me what they were, honest to God. They carried no lead as it was deemed hazardous. So I have now found a relaible lead supplier in of all places San Fransisco with reasonable prices. And for a small fee they will make certain alloys up for you such as 25-1 mix of lead and tin. Or you can buy the lead and tin and do your own.
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Reply #33 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 8:27am
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I like to tart mine up. I niter blue them, then get rid of the scrapers and fit some ebony or rosewood handles over those little skinny arms that dig into your hands. That makes them real comfortable.

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Reply #34 - Mar 21st, 2007 at 9:10am
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Hi Rod, how long does the Nitre bluing last?
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Reply #35 - Mar 22nd, 2007 at 8:06am
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I am going on 10 years with one of them. The blueing does get worn thin on the de-cap rod all in all they still look good.

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